Minimum Wages

Your the one who's been insulting people. If you don't want to be treated like your 8 don't act like one.

This has no relevancy to your first sentence, it also has literally no relevancy to the argument.

 

Uh, yes it does. Plus, everyone on this thread as gone off the subject more than once, so, ssshhhh.

No, you see it as that. I only start when people reply/say something quite harsh or rude about something or someone, and simply go on defence until they either apologize or decide to stop being rude about it.

 

It's only relevant to the thread if he is experienced with economics/lived on his own.

I get the point you are trying to make but your friend just being a Trump supporter doesn't qualify him to be used as a rebuttal.

 

Then why did you call me dumb?

It has nothing to do with going off topic, its just that your friend who supports trump but agrees with you means literally nothing.

 

Because who on earth calls helping your family out Charity? That is not charity that's what it is being a family. I was so shocked to see you say such a thing. You should never say that to your family ever.

Yeah okay, that's fine. I will sustain from that.

 

Lets say for a second that what your saying I said is true (which its not).
I fail to see how that makes it appropriate for you to resort to insults? I wasn't insulting anyone, at worst I was saying something wrong.
Normally a petty insult wouldn't be that big of a deal, but because you insist on climbing onto a moral high horse at every available opportunity to insult @Blue_marlin98 I think you really need to start being consistent or acknowledge that your behavior isn't conducive to discussion or debate.

 

I actually have acknowledge that when I debate, I debate fiercely, on my application. But it's what I said before that I jump into defence when someone says something against a particular group or person (including me). Plus I really don't do that to Marlin, he just insists of being rude to everyone, so I show it back to him (which he still doesn't seem to have found the mirror I've shown him....).

 

Why stay then? If you know your not behaving suitably for debate why not just remove yourself if you can't moderate your own behavior?

 

Because I (mostly) can control my behaviour, and prefer everyone to express themselves (once again, while being considerate to everyone else).

 

@Daniel Thompson do you think because your friend is a Trump supporter and I am a Trump supporter that I am automatically going to agree with him? You do know just because we both support Trump that doesn't mean that we both 100% agree with him? Let alone the fact that Trump doesn't talk that much about the minimum wage.

Also, your friend lives in Australia so again. How can he say what Americas minimum wage should be?
This is where I say "unless you have lived in that country, don't say too much about it unless you have studied it and are 100% sure".

Also, I started to reply to this thread because you were saying false information and talking about how bad of a country America is. I as well as many other people actually love America and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. This is my home and will forever be my home because of the beauty here, history, freedom and much more. It truly is a privilege and blessing to live in America. I am happy I was born here. So no, I was never rude to you because of your stance on things. I was rude to you because you act like Australia is some amazing country and like America is some peasant place with a bunch of idiots.

This thread should have been "America is a crappy country" instead of "minimum wage".

 

The irony here is that you talked about what your Muslim friends think and believe on another thread and touted it as a trustworthy authority on all things Muslim.

That being said, I disagree with Daniel on a lot of these things.

 

You should be banned from this thread. Stop acting like a child. You lose an argument once you start calling someone a prick.

@Daniel Thompson

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Seattle lost jobs by boosting minimum wage, report says
https://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/files/NBER Working Paper.pdf
Stumbled across this on twitter, so it must be true.

"we conclude that the second wage increase to $13 reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by around 9 percent,"

"total payroll fell for such jobs, implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016"

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Opinion | Sobering news for $15 minimum-wage boosters
(In case anyone still cares about this thread)

 

Okay I usually don't say anything, that said I think you might consider this, I came from a military family, I married a military man, and we saw that all three of our children finished High School, so as for getting jobs/careers, think about this. Our oldest son works at Wal-mart in Electronics, customers look for him when shopping for those type of things. He likes working with people. Our second son took a job with the county, at 38 which isn't far off for him he'll have 20 years there, and he could change professions if he wants. Our third son, shepherdthree, worked for the military, while working civilian security. He took his time and let the Military pay for his college, now he works in his chosen path as IT tech.

So what has this to do with your question? I have never held a job that paid more than 25k, and I now have one that only pays 16k after 15 yrs., consider this carefully, how many people will stay with a company that pays less? I did because My spine was injured and I could no longer work the Customer Service Job I had. There are so many cases like mine that make the whole argument of us being lazy, null and void.

I'm sorry Blue I do like you, but I worked hard to raise my boys to have better than I have, and I have never been lazy.

 

Your in favor of raising the minimum wage right?

 

Many people here don't know economics or have a rudimentary understanding of it. At no point should anyone say higher wages leads to lower unemployment is wrong, but no one has really said that. People are implying that it does. As people have put it earlier, higher and lower minimum wage is more so a battle between inflation and and unemployment from a macroeconomic pov. lower wages means companies can higher more with the same budget. As nice as this sounds, it also means that the entire job sector has taken a paycut and can no longer afford to buy the items that it once could. This leads to people spending less money overall, which actually hurts the economy. There is a lot that I am leaving out here because of the expansiveness of the subject and how intricate the connections of an economy are. The overall effect is a lower unemployment with a lower quality of life due to higher inflation.

Only the flip side. Raising the minimum wage means a company can hire less with the same amount, but people have higher excess earnings which leads to higher spending with their excess money, which aids the economy and keeps inflation lower. The end result is a lower inflation rate with a higher unemployment rate. This is the battle between the two ideas and this battle can be seen from economic studies in the 1960s till now.

The problem is that minimum wage has not kept up with the inflation rate. Studies show that the real growth of the minimum wage has not kept up with inflation rates, meaning that although the dollar amount of the federal minimum wage has increased (nominal growth), but the actual value that the dollar amount represents is actually less than what it was worth in previous years( real growth).

One thing to stress is that cutting minimum wage does not directly solve the unemployment problem. Cutting wages across the board does not mean a direct increase in demand for products. Paul Krugman is one of the world's leading economists and occasionally writes for the NYT opinion column. Here is an article on the subject and I encourage people to view more of his writings on economics. He basically writes the standard of macro and micro economies textbooks. The article also gives an explanation of the first two points.
Would cutting the minimum wage raise employment?

 

No I think a cola raise might help some, but I think 15 in my area of the country is to much for the job, how ever, My comment was meant to let you know that just because people work in lower paying jobs, does not mean they are lazy, yes there are some, but most? NO

BTW My job requires a CDL with passenger clasification, it is considered a skilled position. If I get a ticket in my car I may get a warning, if I get a ticket in my bus, I lose my Job. I have been finger printed and had it run through the FBI database, I have to pass a physical each year, and must have character witnesses every year. I work on average 30 hours a week, field trips can throw it over that.

 

I think this is one of the only times I have learned something of substance from these forums. This is really interesting and for that I say say thank you.