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Minimum Wages

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Daniel Thompson, Apr 10, 2017.

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Do you think minimum wage would help your economy and its people?

  1. Yes, this would seriously help.

    43.8%
  2. This may help, but may not.

    12.5%
  3. No, increasing it will damage the economy and the people.

    37.5%
  4. I'm not really sure about it.

    6.3%
  1. Blue_Marlin

    Blue_Marlin Popular Meeper

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    I'm sure is absolutely has made you a better person. I'm glad your family is starting to get back on their feet. As far as school, that is ridiculous they require you to pay for book and should be addressed. Also, you should have to pay for your own school supplies but it is illegal to force someone to contribute to the classroom (I believe).
     
  2. Muunkee

    Muunkee Legendary art supply hoarder

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    What the hell do you think Im doing?
    What about the insulin and doctors visits and possible emergencies
    Did you know its pretty damn rare for a diabetic to not have to go to the emergency room at Least once in a year? Dad's doctor looked at him like he had 3 eyes when he found out dad didnt have to go for 2 years
    Reeeeally not sure why I have to validate this with you. I already dislike what Im giving out.
    She doesn't have the vest and the whole deal because I dont take her out because I dont need her that bad but its the anxiety and the like and home stress
    A lot of the home stress being dealing with what I have and the family and car payments and what insurance I do have and yaddayadda
    What are my options if Im already preggo?
    I dont have any. Because once I am pregnant Im an incubator. Who cares if you cant afford anything?
    I have a good job. I make 12 an hour - at a starting wage within the first year of employment as a first job. Im getting licenses etc that normally I wouldnt be getting until at least 18, but likely towards 20.
    Get a better job isnt really part of the problem. Then again, neither is minimum wage, in my case. But I got to where I am because of family connection.
    Before I got this job in order ti actually pay bills Id have to work more than what is medically safe for me, or something really really crappy.
    I dont want to apply for jobs on a black leather couch. I dont want to force other people into a bad situation.

    I have a fairly good situation- its just that I, unlike you, actually think about others. And you know maybe barely scraping by, unable to pay for any rven small emergency, unable to get a cavity filled and it turns into a tooth that needs to be pulled, living on a broken ankle until the pain is so bad or it heals wonky and I have ti get it literally broken again tk reset it, and myselfgetting emergencies for a variety of reasons. Its only been a few minths since I was diagnosed, its so difficult to balance all of this for any person within the first year, theres going to be an ER visit at some point. Im just going to have to accept that.
    And theres ER visits for just other things and accidents just happen.
    If I break my leg because I fell down the stairs, your solution is just going ti be, "well you just shoukd have been more careful! Or dont take the stairs! You dont need to get to your office anyways!"
    Complete and utter lack of respect for human beings. I hope one day something will happen and maybe you'll actually open your eyes and ears that not everyone is even a quarter as well off as you, your next door neighbor could be struggling to make ends meet while in debt while youre just sitting here like "it was hard but thank god we had money cause savings right"

    I cannot believe youre older than me, I jist cant, ffs
     
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  3. Blue_Marlin

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    So get health insurance? I mean, Trumpcare will help ya :)


    Not a valid excuse for a "therapy" dog. Sounds more like a friend.


    Use your brain before you get preggo??


    $12 an hour for your age is good pay. You shouldn't be complaining. "Medically safe" for you? Diabetes? lol what?


    Again, this is not Americas problem. Sounds heartless but come on. It is not a "right" you have to live an easy life.


    Yes, I would totally tell you to be more careful.


    Yes, I have no respect for people because I think $10 for minimum wage is a good wage.


    lol
     
  4. metr0n0me

    metr0n0me Legendary Meeper

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    What? I thought those were pretty standard. I have to pay for my own books, my friends at public schools (those who get textbooks and not photocopied packets) have to pay, and people are expected to contribute paper, pencils, etc. to the school.

    Now that I think about it, the same teacher I mentioned in a post earlier actually said that he had to buy his students school supplies out of his own pocket, since low-income students' parents weren't buying them for their kids, and the kids had no money.
    It's not lol. I was just wondering.


    Also, since you didn't apply to a 4-year university--it's really actually hard to get a full ride to a decent college without being super athletic. It's not just a matter of get good grades = full ride.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 5, 2017, Original Post Date: May 5, 2017 ---
    How do you define an easy life? It seems as if you define "easy life" as any life where someone's pain isn't a 10 on a 10-point scale. I don't see how ignoring a broken leg, or having to forego dental work for something that needs a root canal has anything to do with "not having the right to an easy life." It's about treating people like human beings. Like really, if a dog had a broken leg you'd take it to the vet.

    Besides, you should be able to afford health care. There's no reason people need to be going through the thought process: "Well, I broke my leg, but I can't afford the bills, so I'll just do what I can and see what happens. I'll deal with the pain because it's better than the bills." You know, this sort of thing is bad for society in many ways.

    1. It leads to decreased productivity in jobs. When you're dealing with pain, you're obviously going to be thinking about that pain, and you won't be able to fully concentrate on your job. Or, if your job involves manual labor, you'll have decreased strength and won't be able to do your job effectively. This leads to decreased production, which negatively affects the economy.
    2. It leads to increased insurance and health care costs. When uninsured (or underinsured people) get a heart attack, or a stroke, or a medical emergency, and visit the emergency room, they might not be able to pay the full bill. They get treated anyways, but the costs of treatment get passed onto the insurance companies, who pass them right back to consumers (insured people). If people aren't living in fear that going to the hospital to get a minor ailment fixed will bankrupt them, minor ailments won't compound and become serious expensive medical emergencies that are even more expensive and pass on more costs to insurance companies.
     
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  5. BlackJack

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    I want you to work Friday evening at my store. Honestly. I want you to serve 120 cars in 3 hours, in under 3 minutes per car from the second they hit the mic to after they've left. I want you to upsell them so we make more than $2k during that rush. Count out correct change for every car otherwise you're paying the difference at the end of your shift.

    I want you to make shakes, drinks, drop fries, bag orders, all while taking orders, counting change, and running the front counter. And you're going to run the fryer aswell, because we're understaffed and can only schedule 2 people for Friday evening. So drop and make tacos, nuggets and chicken and egg rolls and wedges and churros and poppers and all these things you have to memorize. You'll have to run the microwave for the cheeses and french toasts and fajitas, and not get in the way of your cook while doing so.

    And I hope you're really good at multitasking, friend. You are going to run out of things during the rush and have to stock them, or make them. Shake mix? Spend a minute refilling the machine, a minute you could be spending doing everything else. Iced coffee? 2 minutes. Ice? 30 seconds per bin, 6 bins fills the tray and does not last long. Sauces, bags, cups, lids, you name it, you have to waste 30 seconds per item that you could be using to run your drivethru.

    Your cook won't be able to help you at all because they'll be busy "flipping burgers", along with building them and making salads and dropping what they need for the grill in the fryer because Lord knows they can't rely on you to do it. They have their own slew of problems that they need to deal with, they can't waste any time helping you.

    I run drivethru like this 5 nights a week, 8 hours a night, by myself with a cook. Just as I described. I make $11/hr. Do I complain? No. We're more than just burger flippers, Blue.

    Well said.
     
  6. Deinen

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    FYI, that's illegal generally :)
     
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  7. metr0n0me

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    This is illegal is Washington State if it brings you under minimum wage, just saying. If it happens you can report them to the DOL.
     
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  8. Deinen

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    Depending on the state, but most states, you cannot charge an employee anything unless they authorize it with a signature, with exception of company paid uniforms/nametags, etc.

    Edit: Of course challenging this will likely result in losing your job, which is why so many places get away with it.
     
  9. metr0n0me

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    ALLOWED from final paycheck only when there is an oral or written agreement between the employee and employer.

    The following deductions are allowed only from a worker’s final paycheck. These may be applied only to incidents in the final pay period and may not be saved up from previous pay periods to be deducted from final check. [​IMG]They may not reduce the worker’s final check below the applicable minimum wage, even if the business makes such an agreement with the worker. The business has the burden of proving that workers were informed of company policies regarding these deductions. L&I recommends that the business put all such policies in writing and obtain written acknowledgement that the worker has read and understood these policies.

    • [​IMG] Cash shortage in the till…
      ...Only if the business has established policies regarding cash acceptance, and if the worker has counted money in the till before and after shift and has sole access to the till during his/her shift.

    • [​IMG] Other agreements made orally or in writing between the worker and business at the time of termination…
      ...if these agreements are for the worker’s personal benefit, the business may reduce the employee’s final check below the applicable minimum wage. If the agreements are for the business’s benefit, the final check must be paid at the applicable minimum wage for all hours worked in the final pay period.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 5, 2017, Original Post Date: May 5, 2017 ---
    Source
     
  10. BlackJack

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    You aren't forced to, but it's a writeup if you're short. 3 writeups and you can be fired with (JIB) justification, vs. Washington's "you can be fired for any reason" law.

    It's no issue for me, I'm never short.
     
  11. Deinen

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    What state is that? Michigan you cannot charge employees for cash shortages in the till, and any charge has to be preceded by the employee signing a piece of paper stating they are authorizing you to charge them.
     
  12. metr0n0me

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    Washington State, where Blackjack is, iirc.
     
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  13. Deinen

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    Wow, I thought Michigan had draconian labor laws, heh.
     
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  14. BlackJack

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    At least we don't have draconic evolution aswell. ;)
     
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    Yeah when you putting that up!? :)
     
  16. BlackJack

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    Truck is done and people are mostly moved in, so soon. :D
     
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    I can't wait man. GET 'ER DONE.
     
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  18. Ranger0203

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    People living off of a minimum wage job, so lower working class.
    Says the person who wants me to be liable for your shortcomings.
    I gave a homeless lady $1 once, "for the bus" is what she said she needed it for. She then went into the 99 cent store and bought 2L of Mountain Dew.
    2 kids with a minimum wage job is NOT perfect. Not to be harsh, but kind of to be harsh... Most would consider that a failure.
     
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  19. Deljikho

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    This^

    Blue thinks it's all just accepting cash and sractching your a**.

    I spent 6 months in fast food and it was the toughest, and worst paying, job I've ever had. I ran the store with one other person from 4:00pm to 7:00pm then alone from 7:00 til close. We would be so busy til 10:00 when doors closed, everything would be a mess. Then my supervisor would expect me to leave the store spotless, with food prepped for morning shift, within the next hour so I can have the store shut down at 11:00. I would clock out at 10:59 pm and continue working til 2:00 am, at which time my entire checklist would finally be complete.

    I know it's illegal to work off the clock, but if I got Overtime I would be fired and if the store wasn't perfect then my hours would be reduced and I wouldn't be able to pay rent.

    I wish I had enough time and care to actually type out everything I went through daily at that job. It was the miserable and hardest job I've had, but it also taught me a lot, especially about people working those jobs that truly give a sh*t.
     
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  20. metr0n0me

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    I mean if everything goes perfectly, as in perfect health and nothing unexpected happening (i.e. you get run over by a car, or your wife gets cancer or something), you'll just barely be able to raise 2 kids on a two $10 per hour jobs. If something goes wrong, you'll be financially insolvent in the blink of an eye.
     
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