give back /fix in sky block!

Lol I just realized what I did lol. It was late at night and I was tired

+1 to having /fix* back

 

the only reason I play skyblock on Meep is my rank commands /fix /heal and so on. I could care less about /fly in skyblock. but I will just go back to playing better skyblocks on other servers.. and once again meep skyblock will die out

 

Here is my complete list of reasons why I think that /fix should be brought back to skyblock.

1. Items that were already /fixed are now useless.
after /fix was removed, all tools that had /fix used on them broke on elite+ players, and now they're unusable. I see how this could make it more "fair," but to have all donator tools break isn't the way for that to be fulfilled. I realize that it might have been unintentional, but it still happened either way, and is most likely irreversible.

2. Why does skyblock need to be fair?
Some people say that skyblock should be fair for every player, and the "overpowered" donator commands should be left for the towny world. I disagree, when you donate you assume that a majority (if not, all) of these commands are allowed on any part of the meep network. Removing donator commands is taking away yet another reason why we donated, and overall making the experience worse for elite+ players on the server, ESPECIALLY for the ones that spend a majority of their time on skyblock. Please keep in mind, actual people spend 80 USD for a simple perk as /fix, and to have that taken away from skyblock is unfair for us elite+ players, so, in the end, you're just making the skyblock unfair for donors, the people that put money into the server.

3. What advantage do donors actually get?
So yes, you can fix your tools anytime you want, but what does this get for you? It allows you to do more work, allowing you to build more farms and grinders, allowing you to get achievements faster, allowing you to overall get your island to a higher level than non-donors. But, what real advantage does this give to a donator? If you're concerned with the economy, without lots of advertising for a shop, or making it into the top 10, your shop will get next to no use. Advertising a shop takes work, and getting your island to the top 10 takes much more work than that, despite how many people, whatever rank, on your island. Additionally, before the restart, evil_eyes269 owned the top island, and he didn't have a rank. Another high ranking player, HaaVeeAir still wasn't a donator, and he was #3(?) on the old leaderboard for quite some time. This shows that:
1. Being a donator doesn't give you any significant perks that allow you to instantly be ahead of any non-donator.
2. Hard work is truly the strongest factor in having a high-ranking island.

4. Ruining meep skyblock.
Whenever I'm on skyblock (which isn't a small amount of time,) it takes a miracle to reach more than 10 players on the server at one time. On average, a little less than half-25% of these players are elite+ donators. Having this chunk of players stop playing skyblock will definitely not benefit the server, make a large dent in the skyblock "economy" (there isn't really one b/c there isn't anything to base the prices on, thanks sb shop,) and overall make it more difficult for non/lower level donors to acquire items, and with next to nobody to enjoy the experience with, the server will kind of die/fade away. We need players that play on the server often to keep it a valid & active server, not a few more newer players to take their places, just to stop playing after a few days. Additionally, even glazing over the replies in the comments gives you the feeling that people aren't too happy about this change, and these people are mainly elite+, reinforcing my statement of "a large chunk of the community will either stop playing or be very salty about it."

EDIT: Reinforcing the idea of both donors leaving and the economy being damaged:

5. The economy
Yes, I went over this briefly in reasons 3 and 4, but I think it needs its own section. Players can make a decent amount of money off of selling skyblock items, but this won't make you nearly as wealthy as the top ranking players (when this thread was created.)
BALTOP(Players only)
1. Way_way22: Never seen on skyblock.
2. Lizzer: Never seen on skyblock.
3. lightspeedtitan: Never seen on skyblock.
4. shains: Never seen on skyblock.
5. MajikTom: Never seen on skyblock.
6. KlutchDecals: Never seen on skyblock.
7. bass_flow: Might have played in the old skyblock, but never seen in the current one.
8. bbycakes2012: Never seen on skyblock.
9. dennywhite: Never seen on skyblock.
10. BigDaddyJoseph: Seen every so often on skyblock, BUT is a co-mayor in shainville, one of the largest towns in meep.
and, let's skip down on the player list to where an active skyblock player is...
26. superthomas12: plays very often, actually was the creator of this thread.
let's keep going...
37. jmelara: seen every so often, enough to be considered "active." (then again, is more active in towny, and minigame servers, but still a notable player to put here.)
67. Hedva: Part of the #1 island, as well as a pretty active player.

The point i'm trying to make is that a few more skyblock commands aren't going to get an elite+ player to the #1 spot on baltop. These perks make skyblock only slightly easier, and ultimately more fun for the player.

6. Arguments with the points stated.
Instead of arguing with people, and just boosting the thread a whole bunch (that's kind of what's been happening,) I'll just put my arguments here.
1. Skyblock should be a challenge.
Some people don't really want the "challenge." if YOU want, YOU can start on the island that's made for expert players, or YOU can choose not to use donator commands. For the people who don't want this, I think they should be allowed to use these commands.
2. It's unfair for lower-level/non donators.
As I said in the thread, it's perks that allow people to have more fun, and although they can be seen as "overpowered," people paid for these perks, as well as assumed that these perks would last forever, and not be taken away because a few people thought it was unfair to lower/non donor players.

7. Donor commands STILL influence Skyblock.
(Credit to Interdesirename)
The funny thing is, the goal of removing the donator commands was to make Skyblock more of a fair challenge for all. The only problem is, you can buy your way to the top, instead of actually working for the items yourself. Now, who are the people that can get loads of money for doing nothing? Donators. And where can they make this money? Towny. And what commands are allowed in Towny? DONATOR COMMANDS. So, indirectly, the donator commands still make Skyblock unfair, no matter what. So, looking at it from this angle, the economy in Skyblock could actually work slightly better than before, if there was a large enough playerbase for this. Sadly there isn't, rendering that entire single reason useless.

TLR Section.
1. All tools for Skyblock are now useless for elite+ players = unfair.
2-3. Donating isn't going to make your automagically better than the next non-donator.
4. Lots of active people get mad = less players on the server = not a benefit.
5. Skyblock won't be your main source of money if you want to be rich, donator or not.
6. My (Expanding) list of replies to opinions/replies in this thread.
7. Towny earnings can allow you to buy items, indirectly making Skyblock "unfair."
Even shorter TLR Section.
/fix would make skyblock better if it were back in skyblock.

 

lilstokes and deinen this is not a joke so don't take it like that a lot of people who play skyblock are mad ( I am one of these people) mainly the reason why we are mad is because you guys let people who don't play skyblock enough to make a decision on what stays and what goes. GIVE US A VOTE ON STUFF

 

I agree with Interdesirename about being upset with how people who don't play Skyblock have inserted themselves into the discussion and voting for how SB is administered.

The new reset has brought in several methods of severely limiting resources -
1. The removal of the skyblock shop
2. The extreme nerf to the villagers
3. The limits on the number of times you can redo challenges
4. The change to the SB nether

None of these changes is necessarily bad in themselves, but taken all together..
And, without being able to get new tools/weapons easily, taking away the /fix ability is just rubbing salt in the wound. I really have no interest in having to play with just wood and stone tools.

 

Bring it back, Meep is a donator server, just deal with it

 

I donated for perks I didn't donate to send fuzzlr to collage

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 3, 2015, Original Post Date: Aug 3, 2015 ---

then don't use the perks let the players that want them use them

 

People paid for the use of /fix; if you then take it away from them, what does that say to future potential donators? "They reneged on /fix, why the hell should I even donate for /fly and /spawner? They just take my perks away and renege on stuff. no." It will have a far-reaching impact on server donations.

This is a big one; it now puts elite+ donators at a blatant disadvantage compared to other people.

I'm not saying donators should be super overpowered; however if the srever promises certain perks, it should make good about keeping those perks. Considering the fact that people complain that giving spawners to lower ranks will "devalue the rank" why are the same people here supporting the removal of /fix, which similarly devalues ranks? In fact, you say "People. Below. Elite.
Cannot. Own. Natural. Spawners.

Having spawners is one of elite's main perks. don't devalue the rank, this will remove most of the incentive to donate and most of the elite rank's worth." on this thread.

http://meepcraft.com/threads/spawners.44065/

 

From what I have heard on ts and on here is that removing stuff that we donated in order to make something more of a challenge. Yes it does make it more of a challenge but its nearly impossible to keep the joy of playing it in mind when your constantly worrying about stuff. we didn't donate to make it a challenge we donated for it to make it less of a challenge. I find this a discussion that needs a vote on whether to stay or to go because this was a inconsiderate move on staffs part. (not all staff) You guys are trying to make skyblock something so hard that only the rich or the experienced player can play. And who are the rich people? mainly ults and super mods. before some one comments on this post, when they wonder why people don't play, this is the reason why you think that everyone plays the same and no that's not true. some players want to just be able to come on and enjoy something away from life and you guys take that away from them.

 

#sad

 

Aw man I actually used that shop when I had #14 island in sb
+1

 

You were real quick to remove fix without it being suggested. Can that same sense of urgency be used to decide this thread? Kthx

 

I don't find Skyblock competitive any longer. Most players from the top 10 islands left due to the silly nerfs that aren't actually necessary. If this matter doesn't get addressed in the next week or month, Skyblock will just die out just like the last one.

 

One other thing that I would like to point out, (and so people see this I'm not adding on to the mega-post that I made above,) but most non-elite members don't even know about the removal of /fix. Nearly every time I asked someone about it, they said:
1. They Didn't know anything about this nerfing.
2. They would be just as frustrated if they were the ones having their perks taken away.
3. They don't care that elite+ players have /fix.
So, even if this new rule is favoring non-donators, the people who haven't put 80+ USD into the server, most of the time these players wouldn't even know that Skyblock is being favored to them. And how are you supposed to tell someone? "By the way, we removed a vital donator perk in Skyblock that made it "more fair" for non-donators like you, just because we wanted to! Sure, we made nearly every elite+ donor stop playing skyblock, but why does that matter?" So, ONCE AGAIN, this nerfing to Skyblock is killing it more than helping it. At this point, just re-implement /fix. There are plenty more reasons to have it in rather than out, from destroying what little economy there was, to reducing the player count significantly, to overall making skyblock a less enjoyable experience for ALL PLAYERS. For the complete list of reasons, again, just refer to the post above.
(le bump)

 

We are currently considering an alternative to fix, so this is denied. Have a nice day