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US Military Action Under Trump and the World

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Natsu, Apr 14, 2017.

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Do you generally support appeasement/neutrality or intervention

  1. Appeasement/Neutrality

    37.5%
  2. Intervention

    62.5%
  1. n00bslayer_99

    n00bslayer_99 i like kebab

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    I was not a Hillary supporter, I did not support anyone. All the candidates were horrendous.

    But, in your previous post you said he will not screw up.

    source
     
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  2. Natsu

    Natsu Celebrity Meeper

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    I agree with you that things have changed, but I was just noting that because you said
    Anyway,
    By not providing evidence for your claim, you have no proof?

    So thanks for actually giving me something to consider this time.
    1) Even though no Russians died, the US still has attacked Russia's allies and Russia surely won't close an eye on that.
    Russia has actually done the opposite, and met with Iran and Syria to confirm their position that the air strike was unacceptable, as there were "little investigation that confirms the use of chemical use" according to them.
    Source: ABC News
    2) Can you give me the source for this? I can't seem to find it, my apologies.
    But what I did find is that Russia is very angry at Trump's actions, which is demonstrated as Putin's said spokesman, Peskov, said that the air strike was an "aggression against a sovereign state in violation of the norms of international law and on a made-up up pretext."
    Source: Independent
    3) Tillerson was denied from meeting Putin in the Kremlin? This obviously hints that the problem is only escalating.
    Source: Reuters

    This is why I would be really scared if you were to be in office.
    Have you ever heard about the Geneva Conventions?
    It says: "The Geneva Conventions are rules that apply only in times of armed conflict and seek to protect people who are not or are no longer taking part in hostilities; these include the sick and wounded of armed forces on the field, wounded, sick, and shipwrecked members of armed forces at sea, prisoners of war, and civilians." -Wikepedia
    Here is the full document if you want to go ahead and see how many rules people have broken.

    I agree that the air strike was appropriate, and I agree that if the Assad regime breaks any war conduct rules stated above, they should be punished accordingly. However, past interventions led to Americans breaking those rules. If you want to read about the Iraq War, I strongly recommend you to do so.

    Also, if you still believe that Donald Trump hasn't lied yet then I can't help you get out from your blindness.
     
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  3. Blue_Marlin

    Blue_Marlin Popular Meeper

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    @n00bslayer_99
    1.) I hate people who say they didn't support any candidate. If you didn't support any of them, who would be president? If it decision was up to you, who would have been president?

    2.) I said Trump is going to continue to do the right things because he loves America. I strongly feel he will continue to do the right things in order to bring our country back together, to take America back to the top again, to make other countries scared of America again, to make America have more global power, to bring our economy back, to stop immigrants from abusing our country, to even stop Americans from abusing our country, to bring back respect for cops and lower crime, and much much more. Trump loves the country. What person gives up their lavish billionaire lifestyle who's old enough to retire and become president without any pay? Someone who truly loves their country.
     
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  4. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Well, he's not an American citizen so even if he did support a President, he couldn't vote.

    But it seems like a pretty irrational hatred, to me. I was one of those people that could not vote for either main candidate because they are both liars. Gary Johnson was borderline insane and the other girl was about a mile past the border into insanity. The reason why I refused to vote for either Presidential candidate (I voted for the rest of the offices/proposals) is because my vote is worth something. I hated both frontrunners and to just cast a vote anyway devalues the worth of my vote, which doesn't sit well with me. For a Presidential candidate to get my vote, they have to earn it.

    If it was solely up to me? We would have had a mulligan and hoped for people who weren't filthy liars to run.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 16, 2017 ---
    But he really hasn't so far, unless you mean cutting domestic policy budgets (Meals On wheels / PBS / NPR, etc) is the right thing for our country?

    The country isn't divided, remember we had a civil war, we're nowhere close to that.

    We're have the most military and most robust economy already? If you're talking about the next 100 - 200 years, nothing will stop China and India, with a billion people, from rising above us, except if we get a billion people.

    This is insanity.

    Why? What is the purpose when we already overshadow every other nation plus as far as military power goes?

    We still have like, the best economy in the world? Our economy isn't bad? You won't bring coal jobs back due to natural gas, you won't bring manufacturing jobs back due to automation. Maybe the people who aren't skilled enough for the high-tech manufacturing jobs should go get skilled for them, then.

    Walls don't do this, smart immigration policy does.

    Americans are the country and we reserve the right to use our country, and our government, for what purposes we deem fit. The government serves us, not the other way around.

    I don't see disrespect of cops, I think cops are respected very much. Cops that shoot unarmed citizens of this country are probably not respected, and shouldn't be, they should be serving murder sentences.

    Crime is low, trend-wise it's the lowest it's ever been, I've shown you that statistic from the FBI itself. Crime isn't rising, nor is it that bad
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 16, 2017 ---
    But he hasn't. He's visited Trump properties about every 3 days, near-broken two departmental budgets due to security (Education/Secret Service) and the amount of money that has gone to properties he owns, which he'll get a cut of, is skyrocketing.

    Can you provide a single source he's given up any kind of lifestyle? Even his wife took a private jet seperate of his to the same location, from the same airport.
     
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  5. buttfly29

    buttfly29 Popular Meeper

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    oh gosh, soon this thread will have 69 pages
     
  6. Natsu

    Natsu Celebrity Meeper

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    At least I don't have to write up a 69 page report for you since you are already banned
     
  7. metr0n0me

    metr0n0me Legendary Meeper

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    While I agree with the rest of your post, a country doesn't necessarily need to be on the brink of civil war to be divided.

    Political polarization is at an all-time high, and I think some of this can be attributed to the emergence of the internet. For example, conservatives can rely on Fox News or Brietbart, and liberals can solely read Huffington Post, etc. Additionally, the internet has made it possible to communicate only with people who share your views--therefore limiting contact with people with opposing ideologies.

    I also think that in recent years, your political positions have been increasingly been tied to your personality. It's becoming more and more difficult to have a constructive dialogue about politics without people taking it personally--I've seen it firsthand as many friendships (not mine, but during election season, I saw this every day) have been destroyed because of politics.

    For the record, I've had this belief for a long time, so don't accuse me of being one of "those hivemind people." But /u/D-H-R on Reddit expressed it a lot more eloquently than I could:

    Additionally, here's an interesting an interesting, if outdated, article regarding political polarization from the Pew Research Center:

    Link, Pew

    And another interesting essay by Matthew Gentzkow, a professor of economics and a political economy researcher at Stanford. The whole thing's a pretty good read, but if you're short on time, the relevant part is section 4, which starts on page 17.

    Link, Gentzkow

    Another interesting Princeton article regarding the same topic (disclosure, I didn't read the entire thing as it's pretty long)

    Link, Princeton

    If you're interested in further research in the topic, I recommend the book Divided Democracy in the Age of Social Media, by Cass Sunstein--it's a pretty good read.
     
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  8. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    He also violated U.S law - The War Powers Act.
     
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  9. metr0n0me

    metr0n0me Legendary Meeper

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    Yeah well poor people don't deserve meals because they choose to be lazy and poor and PBS and NPR are liberal and shouldn't exist as institutions so we should cut their funding entirely. Trump needs to cut all welfare and social security funding next because poor people are lazy. Laziness is bad.

    /s
     
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