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The near death of a little boy's life

Discussion in 'Debates' started by nhjed, Jun 8, 2016.

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Did the gorilla have to be shot?

Poll closed Jun 29, 2016.
  1. Yes (explain)

    20 vote(s)
    46.5%
  2. No (explain)

    23 vote(s)
    53.5%
  1. _Smarties910_

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    do you expect the gorilla to be 100% calm when people are entering the exhibit to extract a toddler? no. if they did the gorilla could have killed him.
     
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  2. nhjed

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    I'm going to be honest with y'all

    Nobody knew the kid was going to jump into the enclosure. I mean he's a kid. Yes, the parent (keep in mind there was only one parent) could've watched the kid a little better but if you had children your children are equally as likely to fall into that enclosure. Most of the blame should be put on the zoo, not the parent.

    The gorilla had to die. I don't know if you guys know this, but animals are unpredictable. A human life is not worth debating over. The fact they're you're even saying the animal shouldn't have died is ignorant. If you were the boy who jumped in the enclosure, wouldn't you want the animal to stop immediately? The only way for the animal to stop immediately is for it to die. There is no other way the animal would've stopped immediately.
     
  3. CluelessKlutz

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    If anyone has the right to say what was right or not, it'd be zookeepers. Face it, have any of you ever taken care of a gorilla? I doubt any of us have ever seen a gorilla that you weren't completely protected from. Guess what every zookeeper who has written on this issue says? The gorilla had to be shot. It's not "good," but neither was the situation.
    Regarding the parent, it would seem it was one mother with too many kids. I haven't seen anything indicating the father's presence.
    You think a zoo would just put in a little chain link fence between the public and a 400 pound silverback gorilla? No, this was a full pit. The recent move in zoo enclosures has made it look far better, but also makes it easier to get in. Newer enclosures do finely keeping animals within, but tend to be easier to get in from our side.
    Because the zoo staff got up that morning thinking, "You know, I feel like shooting the animal I take care of just because I feel like it." Endangered species or not, it was harming a human being, and there weren't any other options that would have prevented someone's death on the part of the zoo.
     
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  4. WeAreNumberUno

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    @nhjed with the truth bombs.
     
  5. builderjunkie012

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    But the kid doesn't matter. I mean, after all, it's a rare gorilla right?
     
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  6. Supreme_Overlord

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    Well, even if the gorilla was protecting the kid and had no intention of harming him, there was no way to no for sure that that wouldn't change. If the gorilla decided to, it easily could've killed the kid in an instant; furthermore, any means of getting the kid out of the enclosure would've made the gorilla more likely to be hostile. So, overall, the gorilla had to be shot, because the only possible way to ensure that the kid would be safe was to shoot the gorilla. If this had been an adult that was stupid enough to go into the enclosure, then things probably should've been done differently; however, this was a little child who should not be expected to know better, and therefore, has to be protected.
    I agree with you mostly, but not on this statement. A zoo's purpose in creating exhibits is to keep animals in, not to keep people out. Someone could potentially find a way into a lot of exhibits at a lot of zoos; just because someone actually did it at this one doesn't mean that the zoo should be punished, because (again) the zoo's purpose isn't to keep people out. The mother deserves the blame and consequences for this because she was responsible for watching the kid; she should be charged with the death of the gorilla and for endangering her child. While it is possible that she's not a bad parent and that she just made a mistake, mistakes still have consequences.
     
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  7. nhjed

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    satan took over this thread

    or drake's new album lmao
     
  8. WeAreNumberUno

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    In florida a alligator just snatched a child and dragged him away, there looking for the crocodile, what do yinz think they should do to the crocodile if the child is dead?
     
  9. kittynom

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    leave the poor crocodile alone he's just being a natural predator
     
  10. WeAreNumberUno

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    wow, a 6 year old boy was killed, eaten, and pooped (not kidding) by a crocodile. if a man did that he would be killed right?
     
  11. kittynom

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    having an opinion does not make me mentally insane.
     
  12. Supreme_Overlord

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    A human has the mental capacity to realize that killing a human toddler is wrong. A crocodile, on the other hand, does not; the crocodile was just being a natural predator. The only way that a crocodile would deserve to be punished the same as a human would be if the crocodile was mentally equal to the human and was not a natural predator, neither of which are the case.

    That being said, as humans, we have to protect our own species before others. So, while the crocodile shouldn't be and can't be punished (as it wouldn't realize what the "punishment" was), it does need to be taken care of if it's posing a threat to humans. The crocodile shouldn't just be left alone because that can very well lead to the endangerment of more humans (I'm not saying that it needs to be exterminated, but it should definitely be relocated).
     
  13. benster82

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    It's just sad that an innocent animal had to be killed because the boy's parents are imbeciles and couldn't devote a couple seconds to make sure that their child isn't doing anything dangerous.
     
  14. WeAreNumberUno

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    WHY DO U PPL ALWYZ BLAM PARENTS. XBOX TPING.
     
  15. Supreme_Overlord

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    Come on, that's not cool.

    Everyone has the right to share their opinions and discuss the topics that are being discussed here. If you disagree with someone, have a civilized debate instead of telling them to leave and that they deserve to be in a mental hospital.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 17, 2016 ---
    Side note: I just checked and it was an alligator that killed the boy, not a crocodile. Damn it, I live in Florida, so I should've known better than to trust everyone saying that it was a crocodile when they typically don't live that far north in Florida.
     
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  16. Phosslerpls

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    Well, if I were the kid, or if that was my kid in there, then I would want the gorilla to be shot. As someone simply browsing through the internet with no connection to either of the parties, I wish the gorilla wasn't shot. I haven't really seen too much of the video but I have seen a lot the arguments that people have made to support one side or another.

    I guess I'm sort of opinion-less on whether or not the gorilla should have been shot, but I do have one opinion- the parents are idiots. None of this would have happened if they had just watched their d*** kid.
     
  17. nhjed

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    I respect everyone's opinion to an extent.

    What I'm saying is that it's sick to even put the most intelligent being on Earth on the same level as a wild animal.

    Am I wrong? I'm pretty sure you agree with me.

    I have no respect for anybody who disagrees with that.
     
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  18. Supreme_Overlord

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    If you want to have no respect for someone that disagrees with you in a way that you think is absurd, you have the right to not respect them, but acting disrespectful and telling them to leave a thread in a debate forum is another thing.

    What if I were to say, "What I'm saying is that it's sick to even put men at the level as women.

    Am I wrong? I'm pretty sure you agree with me.

    I have no respect for anybody who disagrees with that.
    "

    Or, "What I'm saying is that it's sick to even put white people at the same level as black people.

    Am I wrong? I'm pretty sure you agree with me.

    I have no respect for anyone that disagrees with that."

    I could go on, but I'm pretty sure that you can understand what I mean. If an extremely racist/sexist person thinks that claiming that white people and black people are on the same level or that men and women are on the same level is as absurd and sick as you think that claiming that animals and people are on the same level is, should they act the same way that you're acting? I think that most people would agree that they shouldn't.

    TL;DR - Feeling like someone else's opinion is sick doesn't make you right, nor does it justify you acting like an ass.

    Anyway, moving on to your actual claims:
    Kittynom never even said that the alligator is on the same level as a human or that animal and human lives are equal; all she said was that the alligator needs to be left alone because it was just a natural predator (are you arguing with that?).
    Before I get into this, I think it's mention-able that humans are not undoubtedly the most intelligent beings on Earth, as dolphins and whales are arguably as intelligent as humans. Still, for arguments sake, let's just say that humans are undoubtedly the most intelligent species on Earth. Even then, that doesn't necessarily mean that humans shouldn't be put on the same level as animals.

    Human beings aren't that different from other animals. Humans are just animals, and even though I do agree that because of the fact that they are more highly evolved than other animals, their lives should be regarded as more important (furthermore, like I mentioned earlier, as humans we should view our own species as more important anyway), that does not mean that they're on a whole different level. If you want to separate all animals into different levels of importance based on intelligence (for example, this would mean that an alligator is in a different level than a cat, that a cat is in a different level than a monkey, that a monkey is in a different level than a chimpanzee, etc.), then sure, I'd agree that humans should be considered to be in a level above all other animals; however, if all "wild animals" are grouped into one level, humans should be in this level as well.
     
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  19. kittynom

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    damn become a lawyer
     
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  20. Ranger0203

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    Why?
    Respect their right to have an opinion, not the opinion itself (if you don't like it).
     
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