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Remove Mending in Extreme

Discussion in 'Denied' started by Summers, May 10, 2020.

  1. Ace

    Ace Celebrity Meeper

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    This is exactly why you need to keep yourself updated.

    Bro I literally whooped you after you killed GeorgiaGrace7 or someone with that name few minutes after they joined. You even made an excuse saying "I was afk" You were in full god killing chickens at spawn region lol. Not to mention you told them you only killed them because you were "bored"

    Bro are you like 12? Your suggestion is being criticize because from my perspective, It's so bad. Grow up will you? Removing a core game mechanic for self interest is not "helping the server succeed".

    This is because you are a short sighted person. You see, removing mending will just temporarily stimulate the economy and will have more of a negative effect in the long run. You were here when it was removed, the player base started to decline rapidly when it was removed. People only stayed to socialize.

    My question to you is; Were you here when it was added back to the last version of SB? People wanted it and people played SB just for that mechanic. SB is much more extreme than Towny Extreme at this point in time but players loved the idea of having Mending. Mending was reinstated in towny classic because of SB experience.

    Now these are the points you keep neglecting because idk? Probably you're more focused on how everything is a personal attack on you? Anyways,

    1. We currently don't have a resource world and we don't even know if chunk regeneration will be implemented/functional.
    2. Mending is a vanilla feature in which most people enjoy. Take it away and you take literally most of the current player base away.
    3. 1.16 update is a promising update and is being deployed to be much more server friendly than the previous versions. It is now in the final testing phases and the people in charge showed interest stating it could be the next update for Meep. (In a couple of months after initial release)
    4. If this update hits, villager trading would allow people access to much more items which would render Mending sort of not that OP anymore. Taking into consideration the GOD GOD villagers of 1.14 which could offer players say, 4 emeralds for EFF V book.

    I even suggested that PVP is a better idea than this but I guess you didn't look at that?
    I could go on and on about why it's bad but I think it's better if you can find that out for yourself tbh.
     
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  2. Epicdude141

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    And I told you two ways to increase item value
     
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  3. Summers

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    Yep and I also said thats all I want, I dont want to remove extreme but something needs to happen
     
  4. smk

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    This is an interesting thought that removing mending would coincide with a fall in the diamond price, but economic concepts can actually support this.

    When mending is in the game, demand for diamonds is non-existent for new players, but the demand is inelastic. Meaning; the price of diamonds does not affect demand in any noticeable way; this would be because diamonds with mending in the economy would only be a one time purchase. Since it’s only a one time purchase for most tools / armor (especially with no pvp), the price can be rather higher than before since players are willing to cough up a pretty penny for something they’ll never have to buy again.

    Opposing this, when there is no mending in the economy, the demand curve would be elastic, meaning a change in price would greatly affect the demand of diamonds. Without mending, diamonds are no longer a one-time purchase, and demand for diamonds (indisputably) would go up as people need to restock their tools to do anything in the game. However, increased demand shows a growing economy, which makes investment in the economy desirable; in the scope of diamonds on Meepcraft, more people would mine and sell diamonds. This competition drives the price lower as others undercut others to hopefully sell more diamonds. The only way the falling price is stopped is by having a price floor set by the server or a player shop that will buy diamonds virtually infinitely (which Summrs’ shop did in towns classic).

    Economic concepts clearly agree with the server, but I do not agree with your claim that demand for diamonds with and without mending is the same. By only being able to gather statistics on vshops and chest shops you exclude the bulk of diamond sales to other players (literally buying in bulk).

    In a real world example, this oversight would be like tracking sales of steel directly to consumers while overlooking the fact that steel is a product primarily sold between corporations wishing to produce other items.

    In the scope of diamonds on Meepcraft, this oversight is missing the bulk sales of diamonds that would never take place over Vshop, because of tax, or chest shops because of time. I can personally confirm that the demand for diamond was much much higher without mending in the economy because I bought diamonds in bulk many, many times from other players in order to have supplies for my god tool shop (which actually had demand since we didn’t have villager breeding in towns classic).

    Now that I’ve established how economics responds to having mending in the economy, what will this suggestion do?

    By removing mending while still having villager breeding in place, little will change. The vast majority of players and towns have access to villagers, making demand for god tools and diamond chest plates low to begin with. Demand for diamond would increase without mending under normal circumstances such as those in towns classic, however, extreme is not towns classic. The mere presence of villager breeding removes demand for diamond tools, chest plates, and enchantments for the majority of the server. Without demand for these items, demand for diamonds will not increase as people do not need to buy diamonds for tools (which are the only things that consistently breaks in the server currently).

    Tl;dr: Without other changes, this suggestion will do little to affect the demand for diamonds. And for that reason, -1
     
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  5. Silver01

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    bruh this is a minecraft server and mining for diamonds for 20 hours a day is less fun than putting the funny book on armor and not having to worry anymore
     
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  6. Epicdude141

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    Homeboy was just waiting for the right time to use what he learned in those economics classes.
     
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    If you don’t exercise the knowledge you lose it ‍*shrugs*
     
  8. CluelessKlutz

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    Denied - PvP is back and will cause people to lose enough gear as is.
     

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