Best Posts in Thread: President Trump

@Blue_marlin98

Aren't these the sources you get all your information from?

FBI Reportedly Looking At Breitbart, InfoWars As Part Of Russia Probe

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Bank that lent $300m to Trump linked to Russian money laundering scam

Hacked text messages allegedly sent by Paul Manafort's daughter discuss 'blood money' and killings, and a Ukrainian lawyer wants him to explain

Former Trump aide Manafort hires crisis communications firm

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@Blue_marlin98

I apologize, it seems there was wiretapping going on with Trump Tower from 2011 to 2013

FBI wiretapped Russian gambling ring headquarted at Trump Tower

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...ministration-showing-how-damn-guilty-they-are

Well if anyone would know, it would be Nixon's lawyer. Lol

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Lawyer for Russian whistleblower's family falls out of apartment building before court date

Interesting. I'll add links throughout the day



Players

Preet Bharara - Fired by Trump/Sessions after being promised a continuing position under the administration by Trump. In early March, a watchdog group asked Bharara to open an investigation into Trump's international business dealings. He may have also been investigating Trump's cabinet pick for Health and Human Services over potential financial violations. This report has not been verified.

Nikolai Gorokhov - Russian attorney. He's the one who was thrown from a roof or fell while helping winch a tub (maybe a jacuzzi) up to the roof, but no one else was hurt. He's been representing the family of anti-Putin lawyer Sergei Magnitsky. He's also a witness in a separate money laundering case in NYC that Bharara was investigating, the one the primary article from OP is about.

Sergei Magnitsky - This source seems questionable overall, but gives this summary of how he got involved. "The generally accepted narrative of the Magnitsky affair is that lawyer Sergei Magnitsky was employed by the American-born owner of Hermitage Capital Management, William Browder, in an effort to investigate the theft of assets from his companies by the Russian police. Magnitsky then courageously exposed these actions, was arrested and died in pretrial detention in a Russian prison after being tortured, beaten and denied medical care. It is this story of heroism that Nekrasov set out to tell, leaning heavily on Browder for the details of the case." There is more of a timeline that backs up that summary here. It's believed he was ultimately tortured to death in a Russian prison. The US Congress passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 and it was signed into law by President Obama. This resulted in a number of Russian officials being banned from entering the US. Russia responded by stopping adoption of Russian children by US families and with a list of other people who were banned from entering Russia. Preet Bharara was among those banned from entering Russia. But why???

Viktor Bout - Russian arms trader. Convicted in 2011 on four counts of conspiracy to sell antiaircraft weapons and other arms to purported Colombian rebels to kill Americans. "The jury convicted Bout of all four charges, including conspiracy to kill Americans, conspiracy to kill U.S. government officers and employees, conspiracy to acquire and use antiaircraft missiles, and conspiracy to provide material support or resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization." The case was prosecuted by US. attorney for the South District of New York, Preet Bharara. This case is unrelated, as far as I can tell, to the rest of the story, but it provides a bit more information about why Bharara was on Russia's list. This is just context.

USA v. Prevezon - This is the money laundering case that Gorokhov was scheduled to testify in this week. This case begins with Sergei Magnitsky and his investigation with Bowder. This article dives deep into both investigations, so I don't want to get too far into it here. So now we see that Bharara and Magnitsky are linked back to the same original crimes in Russia. When Bharara opened the money laundering case, it connected an investigation from eight years before in Russia and pulled Gorokhov in to represent Magnitsky's family in his wrongful death case against Russia.

US Justice Department -- Here's their summary of the money laundering case and its history.

Russian mob - The Russian mob operated the money laundering scheme. Trump has a well-documented history of connections to the Russian mob in NYC, including them living in Trump Tower, the same one the Secret Service now guards. I cannot make any connection at this time between the mob in this case and Trump. Again, this is just proving bigger context.

Denis Katsyv - This is the man at the center of the Prevezon case. He is a client of the same firm behind part/all of the dossier, or at least the more salacious portions that have less credibility. This article gets into more information about Katsyv and Prevezon.

Further links become a bit muddier and certainly hard to show evidence beyond loosely circumstantial. The Russian arms dealer, Viktor Bout, hired former US AG John Ashcroft's firm to defend him for his appeal. Ashcroft was on the board of Constellis Holdings LLC, which purchased/acquired Blackwater, which was founded by the brother of Betsy DeVos, the new Secretary of Education, hand-picked by Trump.

Also just to state, these are the higher level Russian officials who have mysteriously died recently

1) Russian Diplomat; Sergei Krivov. On Election Day- found dead on the roof of the Russian embassy- First responders reported "head bashed in." Later reported as a heart attack. Nov 8/2016

2) Russia's ambassador to Turkey; Andrew Karlov- shot Dec 16/2016

3) Russian Diplomat; Petr Polshikov- shot dead Dec 20/2016

4) NATO auditor general; Yves Chandelon (Belgian) Involved in counter action against terrorism financing, shot himself? Very suspicious circumstances. Owns his own guns. Shot with a different gun.Shot Dec 27/2016

5) Former KGB officer; Olev Erovikin. Dead in the back of his car- Jan 2/2017 (Involved in leak to British MI 6 agent, Christopher Steele about Trump and Russia connections.) Jan 2/2017

6) Russia's ambassador to Greece; Andrew Malanin- found dead Jan 9/ 2017- Police investigating.

7) Russian Ambassador to India- Alexander Kadakin; Died of a heart attack Jan 26/2017

8) Possible US Intelligence asset and top Russian Cyber crimes agent; Sergei Mikhailov. He was dragged out of a Russian meeting with a black bag over his head- Jan 25/2017

9) Vitally Churkin- Russia's ambassador to NATO - found dead Feb 20/2017

In the Last Six Months, a Number of Russian Officials Have Reportedly Died Unexpectedly

--- Going back to Clinton and pedophile rings

Acosta questioned over deal with billionaire pedophile | Daily Mail Online

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OH MAN @Blue_marlin98! The smoke is getting closer to fire now

For a refresher: Paul Manafort was the Trump campaign manager during the campaign, and while Manafort was campaign manager, Trump pressured the GOP to drop all anti-Russian rhetoric on the party platform.

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

AP Exclusive: Manafort had plan to benefit Putin government

"Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin...

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP."

So we now have Trump's campaign manager acting as literally an illegal unregistered foreign agent of the Russian government who was actively trying to influence not only U.S, but Europe and former soviet republics, to influence policy to be more pro-Russian.




I've been putting off saying this...but....but.....

I'm really looking forward to watching some traitors get shot.

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@Blue_marlin98

Ivanka Trump's lavish family ski holiday is taxpayer funded

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@Blue_marlin98

I did notice you've shown Biden some deference to his opinion.

Biden on Trump, Russia relationship: 'What in the hell are we doing?'

 

But how is Clinton relevant to Trump? Clinton lost the election, she's not the President.

I'm an independent and you originally brought up Ann Coulter, comparing her to Nancy Pelosi. I made the distinction it's disingenuous to compare a shock pundit who says the things she says to cause controversy and sell books, to a sitting U.S Representative. Why do you believe liberals are idiots and why would you make "freedom of speech" a point when that isn't relevant either. Nobody is talking about the government locking you up for saying liberals are idiots, nor has anyone even thought that.

You do understand freedom of speech does not mean free of consequences, correct? It simply means the government can't punish you for saying that. You can be fired from a job, you can be ridiculed in public, someone could even be offended and hit you and it still would not infringe on your free speech.

It's saddening that you label liberals as idiots, as opposed to having an ideology that you disagree with. I don't think conservatives are idiots, I think you're an idiot. I disagree with Klutchdecals vehemently on ideology, but he's a great damn guy and I'm happy to say a close friend and I don't see that changing. Why would I label him something he's not, which is what you're doing. Compared to the liberals you've been arguing in this thread, it seems they contain superior intelligence to you, based on how the form arguments, provide sources and counter points which you haven't done.

If Trump came into office and genuinely tried to do his best and genuinely tried to put this nation first, I'd give him a shot. He hasn't done this, he's put forth budgets that would decimate our domestic policy and insurance that accentuates all the horrible things with Obamacare and almost literally removes all the mechanisms that worked well. He continuously makes baseless accusations and statements on social media, absorbs and mimics a concerning about of Fox news and Breitbart. He undermines elected judges who disagree with him, insults elected representatives who counter his points and has disdain for anyone who actually calls him out. He's a petulant child. What is worse is we have roughly 30% of our population that buys into his propaganda like it's a cult and literally when presented with facts and reality, 9 times out of 10 they reply with "Obama....!" or "Clinton....!" or "MAGA" or "GET USED TO IT WE WON"

Do I have any fear anything Trump does will has a lasting effect? Outside of our standing in the world, not really, as 8 years (maximum) isn't enough time to sway a liberalizing population anyway. Speaking of liberals, there are more of them than there is of your side except now they also have the motivation to recognize an issue with a person losing the popular vote and winning the electoral college and they can easily move to begin changing that system to be more proportionally representative.

Coming from a family that owns many contractor type businesses including two electrical and a mechanical engine/compression repair. This is not the way business occurs. When a contractor errors and breaks something doing a job - They must pay to fix it, because it was their fault. If the contractor does an overall bad job - The customer gets to file a lawsuit, not just not pay them. Doing this inherently puts the fault on the customer.

This is how it actually works in contract type work, and when a ton of people accuse you of doing the same thing, it seems likely you're guilty of something, right? If 20 people tell the police you just broke into this gas station, it's pretty likely you actually did do it.

I'm going to address my 7 million dollar claim because it's clear you did not read the article. Bold is the article and italics is my explanation to you.

Florida U.S. reps: Pay Palm Beach County for Trump security costs

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WEST PALM BEACH —
Palm Beach County’s congressional delegation is unanimous in its support of the county’s effort to be reimbursed for expenses incurred providing security to President-elect Donald Trump.

The congressional delegation from Palm Beach County are all in agreement that the county should be reimbursed for the expenses it has paid to provide security to President Trump

The delegation has written a letter to the U.S. departments of Homeland Security and Justice asking for reimbursement money for the county.

This same delegation, the one from Palm Beach County, wrote a letter to Homeland Security and Justice Department asking for them to reimburse them.

Congress has set aside $7 million to reimburse local governments for Trump-related security expenses, but that pot of money is too small to accommodate requests from the county and from New York City, where the president-elect has held a series of transition meetings.

Congress voted to allot $7,000,000 dollars to a fund to reimburse local governments for Trump related security expenses. But that isn't enough money to reimburse the people who don't want to foot the bill, ya see?

On Dec. 5, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio wrote congressional leaders to ask for reimbursement for providing security at Trump Tower, where the president-elect and his family have residences. The New York Times reported that the mayor is seeking $35 million.

The New York City Mayor, Bill de Blasio, wrote congress to ask for a reimbursement (paid back) for providing security at Trump Tower, they have already spent $35,000,000 - Which is $28,000,000 more than $7,000,000

Fifteen days after de Blasio asked congressional leaders for reimbursement, Palm Beach County wrote to its delegation asking for help as it pursues reimbursement for providing security to Trump during trips to his Mar-A-Lago mansion on Palm Beach.

Fifteen days later the delegation from Palm Beach County wrote it's letter asking for reimbursement.



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Not only has it cost an astonishing amount of money to secure all these locations, but the affect it has had on local businesses who have had their customer traffic all but blocked off.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/nyregion/trump-tower-manhattan-fifth-avenue-shopping.html
Trump Tower security may have cost area businesses $40 million
TIFFANY & CO.: Trump Tower is killing our business

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I'll take this analogy.

Your liberal situation actually sounds like democracy at work, considering for those people to get into office, they must have had the majority. As a conservative in this situation you also have options, you can go along with it or move somewhere else, right?

That's how democracy works, why would you rail against this?

 

Oh man wait until you hear this!

Did you know....

That a worldwide criminal syndicate is running a pedophile ring out of some pizza shop in DC?! It involves high level policitians and world leaders! Their downfall will be they were brazen enough to do this in a busy Pizza shop, instead of anywhere else hidden. Idiots!

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@Blue_marlin98

Donald Trump wouldn't have to make $18m education cuts if Melania lived in White House instead of Trump Tower, figures show

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@Blue_marlin98

FBI head has 'no information' backing wiretap claims amid probe of possible links between Trump associates, Russians

 

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Touts Sharia Law as 'Powerful New Direction' for Women

Your words have no value and your worldview holds no facts. You actually have stated now, in this thread, Hillary Clinton was for Sharia law. I'm not only acting like your an idiot, I believe in my heart you truly are one, because of the things you have said.

 

Ok, but it doesn't negate that the courts opinion is demonstrably more valuable than yours.

 

I think it's a good rule-of-thumb to show Trump the same respect he's shown to the previous President. So, basically none at all.

 

https://media.giphy.com/media/9Bqgwcez6Ue8o/giphy.gif

 

There is no point in me or anyone debating with you. There is not one thing to be debated because you obviously don't know how a debate works and the essential knowledge for a debate.

Sharia Law is not believed by all Muslims. Generalizing that all Muslims believe in Sharia Law is an example of a stereotype. I do not have better words for it.

Just keep believing, I'm not here to educate you.

 

I also keep repeating this: I'm not a Democrat - Very much a Independant

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We asked for any kind of evidence showing that those 7 countries were a threat to our nation - None was provided.

We asked why not other countries that we do have evidence of being a threat (Saudi Arabia / Pakistan) were not included in this ban - No answer was ever given

You must be pretty thick.....

There is a massive difference in comparing Trump to Hitler, a man who actively tried to wipe a race off the planet, and pointing out actions that are similar. Why would a list like this concern me? Historically these things are done before people enter pretty dark times socially because once you identify an enemy to lay your problems on there is a rather short time before people begin lashing out at this enemy, especially when they are taught that things are really more difficult than they really are.

My point is Hitler wasn't dumb or lucky but that he did things designed to illicit a reaction. What was the reaction that was wanted when publishing such a list? To motivate your society to blame an alien target instead of internal problems for their woes, then people lash out and history looks back and finds it was a rather backwards and brutal section of time.

How is this solicitation of reaction going to help America? How is blaming our perceived lack of jobs, despite having one of the best economies in the entire history of the planet, on illegals going to help? Manufacturing is never coming back due to robotics, coal is dead due to natural gas - not regulations.

What is your point, you'd be ok with America turning into an authoritarian nation so long as the economy is good?

 

I don't think you even realize it but you keep generalizing and stereotyping all Muslims.

 

How about Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor who was just canned because he was disclosing information regarding our sanctions on the Russians, with the Russians.

Doing well on the "Keeping America Safe" front eh?

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Kinda weird

I don't get it - Trump now has been incoherently raging about leaks when I specifically remember him praising wikileaks and hoping more was leaked on national TV during a debate.

What a flip-flopper

Anyone able to show evidence Trump is more qualified than a crackhead yet?

 

Well, there is clearly racists elements within the Trump administration, Jeff Sessions, a person who tried to gain a judgeship but was denied to racist comments / actions. But I honestly don't care about that issue when compared to the whole host of other issues this administration brings / has brought up.

The issue isn't with freezing immigration from other countries deemed to be a threat. The issue is those 7 countries have never supplied people to commit terrorism within our country, to the point where Trump, even if he wanted, hasn't been able to prove ANY of his claims to the many judges who are currently asking him for it. He cannot prove those 7 countries are actually a threat, and that lack of any evidence whatsoever, not only runs parallel to anything he's said or done, but it's the reason why the Executive Order was deemed unlawful. Because there has been a whole group talking about it as a "ban" or "muslim ban", and nobody to offer actual evidence those countries are a threat.

What about the other countries in the Middle East, who have had people from their country commit terrorism within our country? A great majority of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, a country who subsidizes a sect of Islam well known for it's extreme interpretations.

Additionally, those temporary blocks temporarily blocked over 60,000 legal American Residents from entering the country, from going home to their family and friends. It temporarily blocked countless businesses and corporations from doing business as usual, overall that action has put us at more risk in terms of global standing and giving terrorists the very opportunity to recruit off the back of this mistake.

This is something you will never ever solve regardless of what you do, even North Korea has people escaping. The reasons you cannot stop human migration should be familiar with you, Devilspawn. -- What would you do for your daughter? If you were living in a country such as Mexico, with a horrible economy, drug cartels run cities and neighborhoods, cops are corrupt, government is corrupt. You see a well maintained and prosperous nation to your north, and that will give you an opportunity to provide for your family, keep them fed, warm and sheltered. Would you not take this opportunity? I know I would, I would be at that border trying to cross it legally or illegally, because my family trumps essentially everything else.

The majority of illegal immigrants just come here and work, trying to provide for their families and while I 100% agree we need a robust immigration system adequate vetting and supervision taking an anti-immigration route, for our country, is not a policy that will suceed as it runs counter to everything that made this country great in the first place.

On top of this, humans have been migrating across the world for TWO MILLION YEARS - What makes us think we can stop this human behavior when 2,000,000 years of history haven't been able to do so?

Religion has bearing only because that Christians are the last people in the world that needs to criticize anyone from another religion, or paint a religion as violent. Also Christians should be the first people to welcome in all refugees with open arms, because what would Jesus do?

On far as people with others believe - Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, however what gives their thoughts any value is if they can back them up. I was never hammering on Blue because of what he believed, but the fact he hasn't been able to present any substances on why he thinks this way. Holding a set of beliefs without even being able to articulate why you believe this way and in what basis this belief is from is not acceptable, in fact it's a danger to our society and humanity in general.

Trump isn't Hitler, in any way, shape or form, however, I highly suggest reading on how Hitler rose to power, because it mirrors Trump's campaign in a lot of ways, a tactic often used in history. It begins as labeling our country the worse it's ever been, a violent, dangerous place that is poor and suffering.

Why is it this way?

Then he leads into statements that denounce other groups of people and begin laying blame on them for the shape of things in our country, all the while promising that only he, and he alone can save us all and make us great again. When people or press criticize his actions he goes on a tirade blasting them, their intentions and their qualifications.

 

Right, but stopping illegals from crossing our southern border is not the same thing as not knowing who is coming in from the 7 countries in the EO. Visa process takes years and years to complete, we know who we're giving visas to. Additionally, refugees also go through a rigorous vetting process which takes at minimum 18 months to complete. I have no problems freezing immigration from certain countries, but that is not what this EO did - It prevented tens of thousands of LEGAL United States residents from coming home, disrupting their lives, not to mention the hit businesses suffered from such a disruption.

In regards to illegal immigration from our southern border, no wall or presence will completely stop it. Why not look to the logical solutions like punishing businesses who hire illegal immigrants, allowing a more orderly and accesseble route to obtain residency in our country or stopping our war on drugs, which give unprecedented power and sway to the illegal drug cartels plaguing Mexico and South America.

Your assertion on "If an American went to Iraq and Syria" is not inherently true, and when true has quite a few special circumstances attached to it; namely we've invaded Iraq and disrupted their entire way of life and we're actively trying to destabilize a government in Syria, no doubt we've made some enemies - Of course there is risk of American citizens traveling to nations we've invaded recently or are using partisans to take down a government.

Stop generalizing the other side, this "Ya'll liberals" dog whistle is just the same as saying Republicans are racist idiots - It's not inherently true, as each camp has sweeping ideologies encompassed within it. I'm fairly liberal and I couldn't care if everyone in the Middle East killed everyone else in the Middle East - It has no affect on me. What does affect me is the fear-mongering it leads to here, and the restrictions of my rights as a citizen and the ramping up to a further police state. I wholly agree with America First - Except Trump has no notion of putting our people first. Doing things as giving everyone access to higher education is putting America First, because it makes us technologically stronger and helps us further complete in the global economy. Giving the people access to reasonable and affordable health care makes us as a society stronger and saves costs down the road. Spending money on infrastructure to put people to work and make business more friendly is another way we can put America First.

I would be all for entitlement reform, requiring beneficiaries to work for their benefits similar to community service, but the entitlements you're talking about simply isn't long-term, section 8 housing takes years and years to get into, food stamps are meant to keep you fed and not much more. As far as veterans being homeless, I'm not sure why we couldn't just house them immediately, the federal government surely has the funds to do that - Or, not pointlessly invade two countries which ends up afflicting thousands upon thousands of soldiers with mental illness.

I think putting America First also includes American values, which this country was founded on. We're all equal, and we're all immigrants coming to a new land to find success, and the minute we ditch those values, we ditch the strength which propelled us to dominate the world. We're no longer America, we're just another country in the world.

 

I see that Western Europe has a population of roughly 397,000,000. In 2016 roughly 175 out of 397,000,000 people died from terrorism or 0.000044080604534005034% of the population.

Additionally, you cannot compare the migration via land route to Europe, compared to crossing oceans to get to America, we're simply never going to have to deal with the amount of people Europe has to.

But overall, as sad as it is, a couple deaths a year to terrorism isn't enough to make me sacrifice any amount of freedom - Nor is it enough to make me approve of measures that are inherently anti-American.

 

Wow I had no idea you were racist

 

Its funny because this is the first time I think people who supported someone got mad because they did what they said they'd do

I still don't know why you'd not prefer trump over clinton but...

 

Does anyone else eat pizza from the crust in?

 

Your political opinion is so far swung to the left that you cannot have an unbiased opinion anymore. Worthless trying to convince you of anything.

 

>A day after I settle the Trump-U case for $25 million

>Some theater nerds read a scripted speech (can't memorize lines? they're actors! what gives?) to my buddy Mike

>Banepost about it from my Twitter.

>All media attention is diverted from a possible scandal

>Simultaneously make liberals realize the idea of "safe spaces" sounds really stupid

>I'm playing 5-Dimensional Korean Starcraft and no one can keep up

>Git gud, media