Best Posts in Thread: Marijuana Legalize?

Lots of misinformation on this thread....

Coming from someone that will be a pharmacist in a year all I can tell you is your prescription pain killers are much worse than marijuana. More addiction, many overdoses, but hey, the drug companies make their money. I'm not saying Oxycodone/Hydrocodone/Morphine/Hydromorphone/Fentanyl are bad in all cases. The drugs do have practical uses but they are heavily abused and there is certainly an epidemic in the United States concerning opioid addiction.

I witnessed first hand a 23 year old girl's death because she OD'd on her benzodiazepines (not painkillers but also an abused drug class) in the ICU when on rounds. I got to witness plenty of other OD related deaths due to opioids and illicit drugs like heroin, and cocaine. Saw someone on their death bed due to liver cirrhosis because they couldn't put alcohol down (oh but the government makes so much tax revenue from alcohol). Ironically I never saw someone in the hospital due to marijuana....

Honestly why not legalize it, tax the hell out of it and use that money for something useful. Maybe building trains that aren't 40 years behind other developed nations? More money for federal programs and less money in the hands of the cartels? I'll take that any day of the week.

Oh and yes, I smoke the marijuana. It has killed so many brain cells that I'm easily able to go through pharmacy school and I'm planning on going to medical school to be a surgeon.

#Typical pot head that lives in his mothers basement.

 

Being poor is not a choice. Pretty stupid to say that. Video as garbage, just said my mom was poor and she worked 3 jobs and was still poor. Also back in her day minimum wage and cost of living were met more closely, meaning what someone could have done with 3 jobs at minimum wage is greater than what someone could do with 3 jobs at minimum wage today, especially depending on state. Video actually provided less than nothing, since there was not a single fact and it wasted 3 minutes of my glorious life. If I hate tried to cite this on any sort of paper for college, I would have been laughed at, had my paper ripped up, and failed the class. For god sake you got an opinionated puff video from the founder of a tea party and tried to use it.

U ever come at del again and its a wrap. lemme just say that.

You have made careless, idiotic, fanatic claims with no actual statistical evidence and you even have the nerve to start disrespecting dein (A father with a job) and del(a college educated individual) who shocking have all the experience of the world you lack on the subject, then expand to insulting entire classes of people. The best part was the following, predictable fanaticism about veterans. I promise you know absolutely nothing about ANY of the things you tried to talk about. you havent even taken economics class and your trying to talk about the economic status of people.

Argue better Marlin, cuz that was pitiful. 1 statistic. 1 graph. all anyone asked for.

Side: We activated in NY son yall better check whats goin on in ya state cuz we activated rn on the free college boiiiiiiiiii.



On to the actual topic because I'm personally sitting on 10 grams of Grand Daddy Purp just WAITING to be rolled into a blunt.
I am personally in favor of legalization. The persecution of weed has opened up the gates for drug cartels to make incredible amounts of money that doesn't go towards the government at all. There are no recorded deaths due to weed and is non addictive from a chemical perspective. To have it as a schedule 1 drug is absurd. People who smoke weed don't go out and commit murders, they order a dominoes pizza (with bacon of course) and watch netflix. All of these things considered, I think it is impractical to have it illegal and would benefit everyone to have it legalized. Colarado made 1 billion off of taxes in 1 year. 1 billion for things like schools and welfare programs. Things that can make a difference in people's lives. Thats important. I dont see a practical reason to having it illegal since it is less deadly and less addictive by both cigarettes and alcohol. I would love for someone who is against legalizing weed to state a practical (non-conceptual) reason to keeping it in the same class of drugs as heroin.

 

I like being high more than my regular feeling so that's why I do it

 

4.) When you are high, you can't do work. You can't perform daily functions. Idc if it causes cancer. Cigarettes cause cancer. I care about what it does to you NOW not in the future.
My mate punches numerous cones and performs daily functions just fine while cooked.

With a lot of your statements in debate threads I wouldn't.

 

Can't talk for America but in Aus they should, I'd much rather buy from the government knowing it's clean pot and hasn't been sprayed with pesticides or dipped in gas for the extra high like numerous sellers here do.

 

what if all the smokers were in disguise of marlin's uncles

 

How do you know they cant?

your uncles don't count as the majority of smokers

 

Regarding marijuana and driving:

"Blood THC concentrations of 8.2 and 13.1 μg/L during driving increased SDLP similar to 0.05 and 0.08 g/210 L breath alcohol concentrations, the most common legal alcohol limits. Cannabis-alcohol SDLP effects were additive rather than synergistic, with 5 μg/L THC + 0.05 g/210 L alcohol showing similar SDLP to 0.08 g/210 L alcohol alone. Only alcohol increased lateral acceleration and the less-sensitive lane departures/min parameters. OF effectively documented cannabis exposure, although with greater THC concentration variability than paired blood samples."

Hartman et al., 2015

So basically, participants in a study smoked a placebo (the control), and both low and high-THC cannibis and then drove. The participants showed symptoms about equal to driving at 0.08 BAC (the legal limit). The study concluded that marijuana does in fact impair driving.

And in the year after marijuana was legalized in Washington State, 17% of drivers involved in fatal accidents tested positive for marijuana, compared to 8% the year before.

Source

edit: Though I think marijuana should be legal, more research is definitely needed before we implement limits for driving. For the time being, since not much research has been conducted on the subject, it's probably better if we criminalized driving while high.

Also, even if you don't think marijuana should be completely decriminalized, the laws surrounding drug possession need to be changed. Currently, there are 32 people in California serving life sentences for marijuana violations, which is just...completely dumb and unnecessary.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 24, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 24, 2017 ---

Also @epick8 :

This is how he "debates." If you look at his posts, they generally consist of: "[insert unsubstantiated claim here] is my opinion and you are wrong." Then a bunch of logical fallacies to defend his point. It's just dumb.

 

Unless they're homeless veterans then you just tell them to go away and beg in an alleyway.

 

Okay then, well if you claim that it was proven by doctors and scientists, you get to be the one who provides the proof. You can't say something was "proven" and not back it up.

I don't even know what to say. How is being poor a choice? The level of stupidity in this is just insane, and I really don't know what to say.

My best friend right now is really poor. He's the son of undocumented immigrants, and has spent most of his childhood growing up in a trailer in the worst section of town (he recently moved into a small house in a less bad neighborhood). His parents work 15-17 hours per day doing construction to put food on the table for him and his sister, and pay the rent. However sometimes it's not enough and he goes to bed hungry.

[side note: His parents did enough work so that he didn't have to get a job, and our city has been experiencing a real estate boom lately so they were able to find more work to pay for his tuition to an elite private high school. He's going to go to an elite university for a pre-med major, so it has a happy ending].

Yeah, totally his fault he's poor, shoulda been born into another family. What a dumbass, why'd he choose to be born to poor parents?

What exactly do you mean by "no one wants to work certain jobs so they just stay working at low wage jobs?"

You're poor. You need to get a job as soon as you're old enough, because you've gotta help your family out with groceries. You now have a job, which means less time for homework and worse grades. You move out when you're 18, maybe because you want to, maybe because your parents are abusive (the rates of child abuse are much higher in low-income homes). You're on your own, and you're supporting yourself. You can't go to college, because who's gonna pay the tuition (loans are an impossibility since you probably have no credit or bad credit, and you're not going to get a scholarship because you have bad grades because you spent all this time at your job).

Even if you do have an income, it's hard to save up money because if you're poor, you can't buy in bulk, so you've gotta buy things in small amounts (with higher prices per unit). In order to move into an apartment, you need to pay the first and last month's rent, which is pretty expensive and is hard to come by. You likely have a bad credit score, making loans an impossibility. You probably don't have a car, because let's face it, cars are expensive, and insurance is even more expensive. The list goes on.

It's actually counter-intuitively really expensive to be poor, and is why a lot of poor people stay poor.

 

How the hell did you bring me into this debate?

I work 9 hours a day in a career I enjoy. I'm a college graduate with a Bachelors in Business Administration and a few Masters level courses. I don't sit here online all day, but I am smart enough to know how to find legitimate sources and to use logical reasoning. I spend perhaps a max total of 2 hours on these debate threads each day, between typing, reading, and doing my own research. You make so many assumptions and just automatically assume them to be fact because it's your belief. It's insane dude.

I work from 7:00 am to 5:00 pm (sometimes till 6:00 pm) with an hour lunch. I've been working since I was 17 years old. You're literally more lazy than I am yet you randomly insult me in a post I'm not even debating in about laziness?? I just don't understand.

 

1) You are absolutely wrong, homosexuality is not a choice, scientists believe that it is influenced by other environmental factors.
Study on Homosexuality (Frankowski and Committee on Adolescence)
Marriages, Families, and Relationships: Making Choices in a Diverse Society (Lamanna, Riedman, and Stewart)
citing the American Psychological Association:
"The American Psychological Association (APA) takes the position that a variety of factors impact a person's sexuality. The most recent literature from the APA says that sexual orientation is not a choice that can be changed at will, and that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors...is shaped at an early age...[and evidence suggests] biological, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality (American Psychological Association 2010).

2) This is arguable, and there are many debates on the internet, some even support the statement that poverty is a choice.
However, logically:
-No one would choose to be poor.
-Not everyone gets the same educational and career opportunities
You could also see that people in some areas are generally unable to escape poverty, due to their industries and backgrounds.
Income Rates Interactive Map
Yes, in the capitalist world, poverty will almost always exist.

3) Do you even know what your mother has gone through to give you birth? I don't even need to cite common sense. 42 weeks of pain is a not good enough reason to respect mothers, but you respect your military that kills foreign civilians. (Sorry for the generalization, this is just one part of the US military and not meant to be applied to all, only used for a comparison.)

 

Sad stereotype. I know stoners who could think circles around you and work harder than you any hour of the week.

 

Lol what a stupid post your uncles are nothing but lazy, nothing to do with the gringo

 

@Blue_marlin98 I'm not upset over the statistics. I even agree with most of them. Marijuana is bad for adolescents and if you abuse it. As is alcohol, prescription drugs, and caffeine. The thing is, nobody is saying, "hey let's make it legal for elementary kids to smoke weed."
That article from John Hawkins was full of fallacies and outright lies. First of all, he started out by generalizing, stereotyping, and smearing everyone who smokes pot. Second, the way Amsterdam runs things is the reason why things are going bad. It has been working out well for Colorado. Third, there is no conclusive evidence of pot use being linked to mental problems when used after the brain has finished developing. Even drugabuse.gov says the only link with pot use and psychiatric disorders is in those with pre existing genetic or other vulnerabilities. The only problems it causes is stunted brain growth in adolescents. It goes on to say "no association between marijuana use and mood and anxiety disorders [were] found." Fourth, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, smoking marijuana is less dangerous than smoking tobacco.
Overall, I would much rather weed be legalized, regulated, and taxes by the government. It will create a lot of revenue. It will also prevent drug dealers from lacing marijuana with harder drugs to get people addicted to other things without them even knowing. Not to mention the fact that hemp has so many other uses. As I said earlier, it can be used to make a fabric that is softer and more durable than cotton, a biodegradable plastic, fuel, and many other things for much cheaper.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 25, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 25, 2017 ---

You can't use EBT to purchase weed.

 

This comment doesn't make much sense at all. It's like saying "I can always tell if people lie to me". If you didn't notice that they lied (were high), you would still count it as yourself being correct.

 

Last post on this thread in response to you because this is going nowhere. You don't have to agree with me. I have welcome people to disagree with me multiple times in this thread. You are willfully ignorant because you said you arent going to change your mind in the face of evidence. It is your own words. What do you want me to call that? Call it name calling if it makes you feel better, but that is the definition of ignorance and of stubbornness. I can grab a dictionary and paint you a picture if it helps.

I am in no way offended by what you say because what you say is garbage. Your sources are garbage, your claims are unsubstantiated. You argue the same way on every thread. "Make Claim" "tell others to look up the evidence" "provide subpar evidence that is shaky or unproven or an opinion puff piece", "say you feel very strong on the matter" "say theres no amount of convincing that could be done to you". I don't know what you want at this point. Apparantly independant research from acclaimed research centers lose to opinion pieces on fox news. I'm simply stating a fact. You cannot be an intellectual or even educated and then turn around and say

Because that is not having a real open mind. At any rate, I'm done because you said you cannot be convinced because you wish to remain willfully ignorant so that is the end of it.


Side note: I meet Ann Coulter every year at the same house party every year in Manhattan. Shook her hand on the elevator ride up to the apartment. Not completely awful in person.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2017 ---

You are correct. Alcohol is far worse on the body and more well documented than weed.

 

Quick reminder for everyone in a debate, no matter how fervently you disagree with another's opinion, always respect their right to say it. No one will be allowed to attack the character of people involved, or make assumptions about lifestyle choices. Also remember claims must be backed up with sufficient evidence. Continuation of disregard for the Debates Forum rules will force staff to lock threads, and we really don't want to do that. Debates can accomplish a lot, as I have experienced firsthand. Exchange of information and views is an excellent way to broaden one's views, which is what many debates revolve around. Everyone comes with a different view, and they melt together to create something new. With that in mind, it is my hope that everyone may respect each other, and enjoy the debate. Thanks!

 

I'm feeling that this is not going to end well...

Your words don't hurt anyone's feelings. Your words to any of us at this point mean almost nothing. This is because you have repetitively posted your opinions, which you most of the time cannot sufficiently back up with facts to argue back. I'm only probably posting this because I can probably laugh at your clueless opinions, which you are of course entitled to, but which if put to action, endangers your country, and the world as a whole.

For example, you have said that being homosexual is a choice.
Another example, you have said that being poor is a choice.
A few hours ago, you have told women to just "spit their baby out".

I feel like you lack sufficient experience to be able to debate properly in this forum with other members of the community. From these three things that you said, I can infer that you have little to no knowledge about being homosexual, being poor, and being pregnant. Yes, you are entitled to have your own opinion, but it is impossible to debate with an opinion that contradicts a well known fact.

@Deinen is ashamed to see that some people in this world are uneducated and unintelligent to be able to debate with reason and validity, and especially because that person turns out to be eighteen years old. He is upset because you keep claiming things that you have very little background information on, and fail to back up your claim with factual information. And whenever asked to clarify, you either step out to insult, ignore, switch a topic, or get frustrated.

Personally, I find these types of debates very entertaining, but from a serious debater's perspective, this is just ridiculous. For the love of this thread and all other threads, for the love of your country, please please do not participate in topics that you have no idea about and please do not get frustrated so easily.

With Marijuana legalization, I think that @Blue_marlin98 has a valid point, that it harms our bodies and our productivity. However, like alcohol and cigarettes, they should be legalized, as it gains tax incomes.

 

No thats kale.