Best Posts in Thread: Gay Rights

The ruling's in. Gay's have the right to marry in all fifty states.

 

I definitely believe everyone should have the right to marry. Being bisexual, I think that as long as you're not hurting anyone you should be allowed to do whatever you want. I completely understand and respect people who don't like it, for religious reasons or not, but there is a reason we have separation of church and state. And I think we have to respect the fact that even if it is wrong in the eyes of God, it has nothing to do with you. Let them be, and continue on with your life. <3

 

You seem to not know what epi-genetics is. If you think genetics is as simple as just a Punnett square, then you really shouldn't be talking about it.

 

You seem to be focusing too much on areas with a Christian predominance. There have been LGBT people, even trans, throughout (arguably) all of recorded history.

Though I could give you more examples of societies accepting same-sex relations than societies accepting trans people, I do know that trans people have existed in various Native American/Canadian tribes long before Christianity came to North America (Not all tribes, but definitely many tribes). The general belief in these tribes was that the man and woman could exist in everyone. A trans person is really someone who identifies with the gender opposite of what they were born with. (they don't have to change their sex physically to be considered transgendered).

 

There have been gay/bi/ace/pan/trans/poly/ etc people throughout history tho

 

2 genders?
2 GENDERS????
BUDDY YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER THING COMING IF YOU THINK THERE ARE ONLY 2 GENDERS

 

Oh my god how long is this thread going to be alive?

--- Double Post Merged, May 20, 2015, Original Post Date: May 20, 2015 ---

I made this over a year ago xD

 

This interpretation of marriage depends on your jurisdiction - in Australia marriage is no longer considered religious and instead a civil institution - religious perspectives don't have any relevance on a person's right to be married. I personally agree with this stance - when the institution of marriage carries with it legal benefits for those who qualify, who's to say who can and can't qualify simply based on your personal views?

Marriage as a religious institution is an antiquated concept in my mind, and the continued support to keep it defined as such only hampers further attempts at full equality for everyone. Why should there be a 'next best option' for 2 people in love? Just let them get married.

If a church refuses to marry a gay couple, that's a different issue, but the term marriage needs to divorce itself (see what I did there?) from it's religious connotations.

 

That statement is as inaccurate as god making the world in 7 days. Here is a list of animals that have been studied and proven to show homosexual tenancies:

• Beetles
• Birds
• Bonobos
• Bats
• Dolphins
• Orangutans
• Penguins
• Dragonflys
• Albatrosses
• Dogs
• Cats
• Lions

Yep, so not just humans. If you wanna learn more, watch this:

 

I know plenty of people who use the Bible (mainly Republicans, obv) to explain why gay marriage shouldn't be legal. Throwing around the 'Good News' in political debates. I find this to be folly because you can say it's unnatural all you want, but if you were in office you wouldn't be able to quote Leviticus nearly as much as you'd like. Simply using it to explain why you disagree is fine, but from a political standpoint you're going to need a lot more gumption.

My 7th grade religion teacher explained it really well, and wasn't rude about it at all; about how it wasn't a choice, but that people like that were supposed to abstain from homosexual acts. Also that it could be forgiven as any other sin could, if the person so chose to ask forgiveness for it sincerely. Ironically, she worded it as if there wasn't any possibility that any of us were gay, however at least I and two others who were in that class are.

And, of course, there's a passage in the Gospel of John when the Jews/Pharisees want to stone an adulteress woman, and Jesus intervenes. He says something along the lines of 'May the one without sins throw the first stone.' The crowd then dissipates, because everyone is a sinner. So that's kind of why I think condemning others for being homosexual is wrong, at least for people who follow the Bible. (That's like, full on condemnation though. My religion teacher also wisely said that if someone is sinning, you should tell them why its wrong, but not force them to change.)

I'm agnostic now, and figured that out about the same time I figured out I was bi. So all those religion classes from elementary through high school didn't really do me much good. Does that mean I didn't retain a bunch of unneeded knowledge? No way

 

Why dont we just give everyone gay lefts?

 

I'm not one to try to be mean. I've seen a fair amount of reasonable posts on this topic from people against same-sex marriage. You, however, literally have managed not a single logical or compelling argument. Without a shred of viable evidence, you continue to ramble the same basic points without so much as a consideration as to what someone has told you. I'm honestly convinced that you are not here to seek a reasonable debate, but you instead have come to stir up an argument with the sole purpose of trolling. You have shown neither knowledge regarding the topic, nor have you shown any attempt to form a coherent rebuttal as to address the very issues being discussed. I suppose there's no point in continuing to reply to your posts. You are honestly either a successful troll, or one of the most obtuse people I've ever met on this forum.

 

Over a hundred Native American tribes have accepted same-sex relations long before Christianity was brought to North America. Two-spirited marriages were considered sacred. Many tribes today still perform same-sex marriages.

Throughout Japanese history, homosexuals were accepted and it was never an issue. It was generally expected that people would encounter some sort of homosexual experience in their lifetime.

Before Christianity even came around, homosexual practices have been accepted throughout many of the ancient civilizations such as Ancient Greece and Rome. The strongest civilizations, that practically are the foundation of our current modern society, embraced same-sex relations.

There's even quite a bit of evidence that suggests many of the earliest Christian churches have officiated same-sex unions. I feel like this one may be debatable, so I'll allow people to view my source before I say anything else. http://humanitysteam.org/node/3299

Over 1500 species have found to contain homosexual behavior. In fact, in several species, lesbian couples will lure males to give them an offspring. They will then raise the offspring as same-sex parents.

This is based off of what? Practically all kids raised by same-sex parents have ended up fine, and most also ended up heterosexual.

There's different kinds of love... Nobody here is talking about the kind of love you have for you mom. If you love your girlfriend the way you love your mother, then your relationship was doomed from the start.

 

I like hamburgers!

 

People who were running from religion*

 

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1) Can you provide some evidence for this please? I know it might be comfortable to post brash assertions as fact, but s'not happening on my watch. The DSM (the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals in the United States.) does not think being gay is a mental illness, at all. Quite the opposite.

Go against life? You do know that up to 10% of certain species are gay, right? Not, "Animals that get confused and accidentally shag the same sex." I mean, animals that consistently display homosexual behaviour and even keep homosexual partners for life.

Here's a full list of mammals that have been known to show homosexual behaviour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Are they going against life too? They mentally ill?

2) Ahhhh yes, the "They can't reproduce" argument. What about asexual humans? Are they 'not alive' as you so happen to put it? What about heterosexual couples that don't want to have kids, are infertile, or too old to have kids?

These arguments are old-hat, man. Come on.

 

I just want to state my opinion. Everyone has the right to pursue happiness correct. Is getting married not an example of someone pursuing happiness? Straight Caucasian people can marry, Straight African American people can marry, Straight Hispanic people can marry, and the list goes on. Why not gays? If all people have the right to pursue happiness why don't homosexuals have the right to marry. This means that are not being treated as equal people, and thats just wrong.

Also don't make the stupid argument that they choose to be gay. What mentally sane person would decide to be gay if they new they were going to be treated like crap.

 

It's not really a debate imo. *bias levels at 100%*
I mean, we should have the same rights as everyone else. We're no different lmfao. Just because I like the same gender as I am doesn't mean I should be prohibited to be with who I like. But ya'know. Today's society. Lol.