Do we have a plan to regain our lost players?

Once the server turned to socialism it became so lame. No one likes a socialist economy server

 

This is the issue. I have never come in all high and mighty. I log in, See people doing things that are CLEARLY against the rules, and just take less crap than other admins. The owner of the server put me in charge of administration. I am the management of public affairs. If you wanna be dumb, you gotta be tough type of situations. Calling me "out of touch" cant be further from the truth. I play games every day with people like you all. The issue is, (majority) of kids at this age level have an issue with authority. Its the rebellious years. I understand completely, I went through it. The difference is, I dont take crap after the 10th time of someone doing something. Every toxic person on meep thats ever been banned since ive started can tell you at one point or another, I had a discussion 1 on 1 with them, a friend of theirs, ect and unbanned. Ive stood up and given some chances at staff to see if that would spark interest in helping rather than trolling, ect. Its an issue with people like yourself, trying to make a statement acting like youre a professional physiologist trying to tell me how I am and what I do, while putting a statement like

to try to get a rise at the end of your "kicker" statement. Some of the greatest admins and developers have left because they get EXHAUSTED of the player base beating them to death. Clueless spends HOURS for FREE working on fixes, implementing them to see "Thats stupid just let it go this is dumb and sucks" when logging in.

The only disillusion here is the toxic players thinking it was staff enforcing rules that killed Meep. If yall wanted more privileges, you should try not abusing the ones you have. I cant tell you how many rules had to be written thanks to people like marshallmaffers and okcs. They find loopholes in unwritten things, then complain when a new rules has to be made. Then staff is called nazis when we have to do something to keep a fair playing field. The core that dropped it was that players always took players sides. You as players should get just as mad as we do when someone dupes as it forces rules, eco nerfs, and tons of annoying things that we all hate to be put in. Also stopping development. Instead of getting mad at the supers, yall think its funny and want to partake and troll, spamming #freeMyBoy in chat. THen when the smoke clears, youre mad the eco is nerfed because theirs 100,000,000 meebles added.

Its time to take ownership and Ill start. I agree the way I myself have handled certain situations was tough for the crowd, some things i nerfed to much, some things i buffed too much. It was a great learning experience and on my end, I can adjust to bring things back into fair play for all. What hasnt changed, if people berating staff and being toxic. Logging in from 100 alts spamming slurs and disrespectful symbols. If you want change, BE the change. Stop asking others to fix it for you.

 

No, we only trashed staff members who went overboard and muted person after person for "being toxic" in chat. The family friendly atmosphere, in my opinion, is honestly what killed the server. I've logged on a couple times in the past few months and the only people talking in chat are humorless drones making dad jokes. The only non-uptight-boring-prick (no ban please) staff member I've seen so far is Klutz. What you seem to perceive as toxicity and flaming may just be sarcasm or genuine criticism; even if it's not, if you can't handle getting flamed once in a while for being an uptight-boring-prick staff member, maybe change the way you view communication on the internet.

If you can give me a reasonable amount of examples of people quitting as a result of harassment or bullying, say enough to result in the player count dropping from 500 to 10 on weekends, I'll admit that maybe toxicity was a problem on the server. Until then, however, maybe consider that banning / muting a lot of people on a server that thrives with a healthy community wasn't exactly the best idea brother.

For the record if you delete this for me saying "prick" you are proving my point.

 

Ill start with my own "for the record" and say that Im not the one that bans for that type of thing, but since you know its against the rules and think youre allowed to make your own rules and say it anyway proves my point.

One thing you forget is that you are 1 of 50. When you come on and do your trolling and trash talk, calling me an uptight, boring prick, it doesnt phase me in the slightest. You all say, and ill quote

You say "Once in a while". But when you do it and log off, theirs a line behind you ready to do the same thing. Its death of a thousand stabs. It gets old very quickly but the reason it doesnt phase me is simply because you dont know me. You have no idea who I am or how I act. You have no life accomplishments that make me wonder if I match up to a kid on the internet ive never met.

You can ask anyone that actually knows me and im 110% confident theyll tell you that Im the most laid back person you can imagine. The only difference (to which you proved my point) is that Im an Administrator and I have to make decisions and act on people breaking the rules. Its what I signed up for, some people like it, some hate it. Regardless of your opinion, Its the way the server is. I would like to see any conversation with any hypixel staff or any other major server staff that has ever actually taken the time to have conversations with you. We choose to be open with the community, and in return, you think youre owed something else and can make the decisions.

Its an impossible balance and an impossible job. We do our best.

 

Death of a thousand stabs, you wish you had a thousand active posters on the forums lining up to hate on overbearing staff members. Not to mention supervlad's forum account mysteriously vanished today, under the reasoning "irrelevant". Wonder who that was? I hate to be a white knight but the worst thing he did in that thread (we all know which one I'm talking about) was call you irrelevant. Is that against the rules now?

I'd also like to mention that literally no one criticizing staff practices on the server thinks they are owed anything unreasonable. We are providing answers for questions that have been asked (specifically in this thread) and asking about the intention and validity of several staff practices (such as his appeal not being answered for upwards of 30 days, and his account being banned with less than 4 TOTAL warnings after calling someone irrelevant).

 

If you have a problem with a staff member, please use the staff comments page: http://meepcraft.com/forums/staff-comments.77/. It exists so abusive staff can actually be dealt with. Hitting @KlutchDecals over the head continuously doesn't give @KlutchDecals a fair chance to voice his side and mostly just hurts the server. I get if you find certain uses of power abusive, if so, REPORT IT so something can be done. The most you will do by posting complaints on this thread about staff members is weaken trust in the staff for possibly false reasons.

Also, yes, staff do have a right to punish players for negative attitudes. The rules for toxicity outline that players are welcome to post their displeasure with something, but the server doesn't accept players who are continuously negative. Negative outlooks are not going to help Meepcraft (as the largest complaint is that Meepcraft is "dying"), work to improve the server will. Instead of blaming, why don't we just ask questions? Instead of insulting, why don't we also try to understand the staff who volunteer their time to work on this server, even when the community blames them for even barely existent problems.

Thank you.

 

Actually I'm pretty sure opposing what he says on a public forum gives him a perfectly good shot at defending himself and his actions. And you are missing the point I was making the whole time, which cites back to the question asked by this thread; one of the main reasons that no conceivable plan exists to bring back lost players is because overbearing censorship like this exists. The free and fun mentality of global chat that made the server enjoyable to play on back in 2013 is gone, replaced by a global chat and discord that rode the family friendly horse off a proverbial cliff.

 

...or maybe we can have a few people who actually still cares about the server and give them the privilege to help in reviving Meepcraft? Too many staff members, some are useless. truth hurts

 

He has more warnings points than almost anyone here. Hes banned in game, and doesnt contribute anything to Meep except the exact negativity I talked about in the first post. If you want to play here, youre going to follow the rules and be a positive member. Thats why I administrate. To remove toxic players like that from the forums and from Meep. If he wants to be a part of the community, hes going to have to act like an adult at least once in a while. Same goes for you.

Would be nice, but whos gunna put in time while people like Baku think they can go around the forums trashing everyone because they think theyre protected by whitty words and phrases. No ones gunna put time into something that will only be picked apart by toxic, irrelevant children. We have 50% people who really like MC and like to goof around and play, and 50% toxic kids who find trolling Meep to be one of the only things theyre good at because they get trashed IRL and have no potiential.

If it was as easy as a post, It would be done.

 

I don't understand why you think it's fair to attack the way he speaks instead of addressing the point he makes. Which, while I'm still talking about it, is simply educated; he talks that way with me as well.

What you describe as "trashing the forum" is more coincident with the feelings of many the players here.

And seriously? What gives you the privilege to say anyone has "no potential?" Why do you preach about toxicity but then go and say someone has no potential? I get it, you're a cop, and the majority of your job relies on how well you're able to profile individuals. You even told me that. But this isn't like that, you actually have time to get to know people, and you have time to really learn what makes someone different from another. That's why it pissed me off when you thought you "had me down." That you knew exactly what kind of person I am, because that just isn't true. If I, or Baku either, didn't care about this server then why do you think we spend time on the forums addressing its problems?

I have fun memories with you, but they're getting clouded with how often you seem to misconstrue the way people are trying to help. I can't speak for Vlad's actions, he was disrespectful in his own right. But Baku, myself, and any of the others on this forum who dislike the way administration, namely you, handle these cases, are just written off as toxic players. That's not fair.

I believe that that opportunity was already granted to you. For four years in fact. This server has not grown at all in that time. I have gone months without playing, and I guarantee any of the "toxic players" have as well. Simply put, you guys don't care about improving the server, you just want to play it. I don't see any of you actively attempting to make change, though I do see you complain about how oppressive "toxic players" are.

Look at these screenshots:
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See how little suggestions are actually being made?

Now look at this one:
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These are all in denied, and I can only imagine that someone who put the effort to make not just one, but several suggestion threads actually cares.

Here are accepted:


That's an entire year of how many suggestions have actually been accepted. @KlutchDecals, if you really expect people to put in the effort, I'd imagine that some reciprocation is required.

My last point is this.

How many warning points did Vlad have before you banned him?
"More warning points than anyone here." I'm not sure I really believe that.

 

You took this as if i meant personally, however It was aimed at potential (On Meep). They will never be staff, never help fix anything, and never give anything positive to a server in desperate need of this. I have never gotten personal, Its just hard to translate certain things through text of this length lol.

I wish you had the capacity to detach for a minute. Leadership is WAY broader than you think it is. You think in such a narrow window of what caring is. Youre taking the SJW approach by trashing people, pointing out flaws, beating points over and over, and taking everything around you down. You are way smarter than I was when I was your age, but your lack of leadership is what keeps making us smash heads.

I know you most likely wont take this example seriously, but ou just tell me what one you think will work better and actually give you a chance at a raise, while still maintaining a good relationship and being taken seriously.
Lets pretend you want a raise. Would you go to your boss and say "I care a lot about this company but everything around me sucks. Work is slow and customers suck. Everyone we work with is garbage and worthless except me. I want a raise because im the only one doing anything around here and I think I deserve it. If you dont give me one, ill leave. (making everyone feel down, belittling, trashing and trolling while demanding respect.)

Or, Hey boss. I was hoping to talk about the potential of a pay raise. I know things are slow but I care a lot about this company. I would like to take on more responsibility as I feel like I have the potential to do more. Some people could use help and I think I have the leadership to support that. We can really get things on the right path if you put trust in the right people and I think I can really help out. (Like no one is doing except the staff you all call useless).

I know youll write it off as "just another annoying thing klutch does to darken his memories" but as you state that I dont know you, and theirs no way for me to know you, you dont know me ether. I profile based on information given to me. Its not always 100% true to the person, and it certainly DOESNT mean you guys DONT care, but Again I think its time to take ownership and maybe realize that you haven't exactally been showing me in the best light. This is why I may judge you wrongly, but I can only do that off the information you put out. Na the likes and trolls are way to much fun on forums.

 

only 21?? that’s weak man

 

Also, I will no longer continue to communicate or attempt to communicate with any of the player base as Baku seems to think I'm "reciprocating toxicity" by defending myself when he calls me a "Uptight boring prick". Thank him for proving exactly why I firmly believe the server cannot and will not recover with players like him treating people how he wants, while reporting people for defending themselves as he does it. Im open to private messages but I wont guarantee a reply.

 

Here's a personal commentary!
The server has always been about the community (anyone who has logged into the server), and people had different visions for how they wanted the community to look like (especially regarding staffing and policy).
Efforts to become more PC arguably had stronger negative effects than positive (look @ player count..). Different people wanted different things to change. What happened, happened. In regards to the server's future, people change! It's been a long ass time, so I wouldn't hold out on the hope of a thriving 2-point-o.

It's stressful for Klutch, I'm sure, but it's also stressful to people who really enjoyed playing on the server and doing whatever shenanigans they wanted and then not being able to anymore for whatever reasons.

I guess the issue really comes down to the fact that some staff stopped viewing themselves as players who enjoyed Meep, but instead acted as staff members to monitor the players and make things safer for other players. Some people don't really get that or argue that in practice, making the server baby-friendly didn't help at all. I wont evaluate that claim: Once again, people view the same action differently.

I played the server mainly as a player with admin perms who fucked around and had fun doing whatever and punishing whatever I found annoying enough to type a command (at the time). I was very inconsiderate to the rules and I'm sure a lot of people didn't like that, but at least people knew what my views were and where my interests laid. I played to have fun... at the end of the day it was a Minecraft server for me to hop onto after stressful school days. We're all humans and we all have different motivations and life issues going on.
I hope everyone who's played stays healthy and wish them to be a bit happier. This server, in the end, is a place of memories for me and a lot of people I considered friends for whatever duration our friendships lasted.

Bless IU,
Spicy Jalapeno Pepper

 

In my opinion, its because we were forced to. Players put up this wall of "you're staff, you should be able to handle trash talk". Then they trash us and expect us to not fight back as were "supposed to have higher standards" while the player base has none. It takes a lot of the fun out of the game for people like me who just want to play. When I log in and just build, Im immediately flamed with things I did, decisions I made, "free soandso". it makes it incredibly unfun. But I agree with the PG side, and you and I both know that was a Fuzzlr decision. Its his server, and I respect that.

 

Obviously this is not the correct context to attempt to call @KlutchDecals out for anything. The context creates a situation like a witch hunt. It's too easy for players to heap on more arguments than the staff member can talk about. It's too easy for players to gang up on the staff member. Half of what is said against @KlutchDecals is either out of his control or just a general belief the community has about the staff team (whether founded or not). @ghost is right, bringing up this argument against @KlutchDecals isn't going to result in demoting anyone. Vkl probably deserved it. Bringing up this issue really only works to incite anger against @KlutchDecals . The only thing that can come out of commenting about this issue here instead of properly reporting it is to make @KlutchDecals look bad with little way for him to defend himself (because of the context). Even @KlutchDecals says that he's finding it difficult to communicate his side on this thread, by @baku who originally said this context would allow @KlutchDecals to fairly voice his side.

First off, there isn't proof that the server's attempts to be family friendly is the cause of problems for the server. Pointing to the lower playerbase doesn't prove the point because there are many other factors that probably contributed including the failure to update to 1.13 (because the version's too laggy), the breaking down of various game modes, the reset, the pull away of new players by the Bedrock version, and the decrease in members of the tech team. There is no definitive evidence that the switch to being family friendly helped or hurt the server.

It is the job of staff members to monitor and make the server safe. The tools they are given are to protect players. Maybe Meepcraft used to be just a Minecraft server you could abuse Admin powers on, but not everyone wants abusive staff. Most people want the staff to use their powers to protect them, otherwise they wouldn't be on a server with grief protection and go somewhere with less rules.

We can't expect staff to take all of this. @KlutchDecals should be free to play the game. If there are issues you have with him or any other staff member, use the "report staff" forms: that's why they're there. Nothing comes from yelling at the staff team in contexts they can't fairly voice their side. Obviously there's still free speech and there are times where the normal forums would need to be used instead of the "report staff" forum, but until the correct process is given a chance, the behavior on this forum thread is unfair, unnecessary, and unhelpful. Please, voice your annoyances through the correct avenues,

Thank you.

 

You can't argue that it was somewhat a factor, as even without any collusion the idea seems to pop up over and over again. If someone's reason for leaving was due to the increasing stringency of rules or the "family-friendly" atmosphere, then that is the substantiation you're looking for. It's not an uncommon theme in "what went wrong with Meepcraft" threads you'll come to see

 

Then let's do it. I know there are a handful of people that still cares about the server and wants to help it. Maybe instead of looking towards toxicity, we can do something more useful with the time left.

The question here is: is it really necessary to continue feeding the trolls and give them the attention that they want? I don't think so.

 

i just think we should fix the one thing the server is supposed to be
towny economy...

there are things like halo boomo that no one uses and now theres even more being added (kitpvp)

if we had a large enough playerbase then itd make sense to keep adding things but it just looks sad and empty
economy aint right

 

That's a bandwagon fallacy. Just because many people think it's a problem, it doesn't mean it is. It could just be something a lot of people think is the problem, but it doesn't prove it is. Of course, it also could be part of the problem. I personally find it helpful because I like the server being family-friendly, but I know there are plenty of others who would rather the entire server allow non-family-friendly content.

I would like to point out that the server hasn't banned that content from all of Meepcraft; as far as I know, party chats aren't regulated by staff (party chat is a thing, right?). That let's people say whatever they want with their friends, it's just other's have to consent to listen to that channel.

And maybe that's what's a needed: a "dirty" global. It would be off by default, but players could use the channel to speak without much of a filter. Family-friendly unless you don't care for that.