Abortion

Yes. and also thats a **** move.

 

Hi dude, how are you? I miss those debates... As for the way I see things morally speaking,

Says a pregnant woman was attacked by another person and then loses her baby. I am sure that nomatter how bad are the charges regarding material losses and all, the only thing that will matter that day will be the baby's loss. Everyone will be pointing fingers at the accused person, like we will not be simply saying "you attacked a woman" or "you attacked a person" but we will be saying "you attacked a pregnant woman and killed her child", which means unconsciously we see that woman differently, and differently here means she's carrying another type of life; I'm talkign morally, I'm not sure how the laws will be dealing with this matter but morally we all agree that the accused person attacked and also "killed" or "caused" the loss of a life's form.

I mean, if in this case we see it this way, as a "killing" act, then again -morally- "abortion" should be seen the same way. If I don't give another person the right to kill my child I should not give myself that right either. It's like saying I can do this, but you can't, why? Because it's my kid not yours!

Are we talking object here or life forms? It's like saying I can buy a car, it's mine I can crash it but you can't of course, I can do whatever I want with my "stuffs". Is a child/fetus also considered stuff? Like the answer of the question is probably how do we see a 12week old+ fetus; if we see it as a new form of life, then abortion is an act of killing. If we see this fetus as an object, sure abortion is OK as long as it's my stuff... my baby?

So personally and from this perspective, I think the act of abortion is an act of killing. Sure there are lots of other things to take into consideration but I can't just perform abortion because I do not have a house or a respectful living today under the argument of "I don't want my kid to become a burden on society", are we sme kind of prescients or clairvoyant or what? Not having enough money to raise your kid doesn't mean your kid will become a bad person, and if this is the reason you give yourself to commit abortion then you're just as bad as a killer.

For the case of pregnancy caused by rape, I don't know how to put it but facing a crime with another crime ain't gonna fix it, where maybe facing that crime with mercy will.. Sometimes good comes from bad, but -never- bad comes from good.

Greetings

 

How many ants have you stepped on or mosquitoes have you smushed?
They unlike a fetus, can survive on their own. Up until that point a fetus is part of the woman's body and therefore she has the right to remove it if it is causing her distress.
"a fetus has more potential than an ant"
does that actually effect the ethics? Just because something has less of a cause to life doesn't mean its right to life is any less valid.

In the case of rape I wouldn't care if it was murder because it would be a reminder of what I went through every day. In the case of rape maybe "mercy" should be given to the victim and not someone who isn't even capable of basic thought. (which ants have)

Some of this may contradict itself but I'm trying to address multiple points.

Anywho I probably won't be back in this thread bec ause I'm pretty sensitive
thanks

 

Humans have evolved past animalistic tendencies, (They can think and act beyond hunting and gathering) so there lives are much more valid. a fetus isn't part of a woman's body, its exists essentially as a parasite.

 

Overall, do you support legislation prohibiting abortion for everyone? (With reasonable exemptions)

 

I do.

 

Get Discord and hit me up man

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As we've seen in the past, a law does not stop the practice. So how would we combat this? Would we consider living an unhealthy lifestyle in order to lose the baby the same as using a coat hanger? How do we go about proving it in this instances and how do we adjust our legal system for the cost/time restrains adding in an entire new category of felony?

 

If someone kills there own fetus, its a crime. We do to them what we do with all criminals. I think the biggest prevention effort though would be to improve (and in some cases implement) sex ed in schools. If people aren't taught honestly then they might act irresponsibly.

 

What do we classify as kill? Would we classify any act against the baby as potentially killing? What is a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, causing the death of the fetus, is this a crime?

 

Its already a crime if you are negligent and it leads to the death of a baby.

 

Sure, but that is generally very complex and grey and not quite the same as a fetus. But in my scenario, a pregnant woman drinks which leads to the death of the baby. As an adult over she is legally allowed to drink, and since we're talking about a mother and fetus being individuals where does that line of distinction draw? It's the mother's mouth, throat, stomach she is putting the alcohol into. Or what about smoking cigarettes while pregnant, where do we begin to draw legal lines once we legislate?

 

Theres already legislation in existence, if they prove you were negligent in taking care of the life of your baby then they can put you in jail.

 

To be clear: You're not doing things to your body when you get an abortion. You are doing things to someone else's body. That it is attached to yours is not immaterial, but murder is still not justified.

 

While we're at it let's just refer to women as incubators

 

Murder, harassment, violence, endangerment, abuse and whatever else they can put on your sorry behind (if you did that).

as for the rest of the nonsense, i do not want to read all that. If you got a question/ problem you can pm me. anyway, i done for now (until i see something else i wonna comment on)
Abortion is murder and wrong. Just my opinion. sorry not sorry!

 

Dude there is no way you can tell people not to have sex before they can have a kid. Having sex is not only healthy, but it is a normal thing for people to do. I do not mean this as a diss, but you most likely have not experienced sex before if you think that's the only reason you should have sex.

Listen, it's not a kid if it is still in the mother. A baby fetus is feeding off the mother. In that way, it is practically herself. Will it be a person? Yes given something unfortunate does not happen. But that does not make it a human being with all human rights.

What if a woman is raped and she is pregnant. She should not be responsible for that child since she did not want to have a kid.

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That's not the point. You shouldn't kill all fetuses, that's just stupid, and I know you're kidding. What I mean is that if you aren't ready to have a child, you wouldn't have tried to have one most likely. That said, if you cannot take care of the child, then it should be okay to abort it.

 

Alright, I'll respond with (1,2,3) for each paragraph.
1.) I'm saying if you 100% do not want to have a baby then the ONLY way to 100% not have a baby is to either not have sex or have your tubes tied and burned (I say burned because when you tie your tubes there is a very very very small chance of still getting pregnant). I understand sex is fun and healthy for a relationship and it hits us perfectly however fun comes with consequences. That's why some people don't have premarital sex.

2.) You say a fetus is feeding off its mother so it's "not a human" does that mean that a baby is "not a human" the day it's due to be deliver since it's still in the mothers stomach?

3.)I have made myself clear on rape etc. maybe you should read all my posts and not a handful of them

 

1. What if I want to have sex but I want to have a baby LATER IN LIFE. I'm 16, I can have sex if I want, I shouldn't have to go through all that just to avoid having a kid. Condoms are fine. Plan B is a good backup. Otherwise I'm gonna abort it.

2. There's obviously a difference and you know there is. I just figured I didn't even need to mention it nor did I want to. Don't be a smartass.

3. Refresh me on your POV on rape.

 

1.) At 16 you should know the what happens when you have sex. Oh boom a baby is made! Wow! Funny how that happens. Abortion shouldn't just "be an option". If you ever do get a girl pregnant and you have a boy. I have a baby name for ya. Name him "Justin Case".

2.) Did you see that "?" Mark after my statement? That makes it a question. It has nothing to do with me being a "smart A". Just clarifying.

3.) I have stated many times IF
A.) The mother is raped
OR
B.) The mother may die during pregnancy/labor
Then an abortion is *takes deep breath* okay. If a woman is raped I would hope she would be able to keep it and maybe put it up for adoption. However, if she can't handle it I would find it okay.