Abortion

@MeepLord27 it's because I disagree with the left leaners so I'll never be in the right.

@EllieEllie a baby up until the age of like 1 and a half is fully dependent on someone. A child with a disease such as Down syndrome is fully dependent on someone else. A paralyzed person is depend on other people. An elderly person will most likely become fully dependent on someone else.
So you agree with Hillary Clinton "Babies in the mother do not have any constitutional rights".

@Deinen Again, comparing a human to a cow or chicken is irrelevant. We are not the same.
Also, Hillary Clinton said "Shariah Law is a powerful new direction for women". I also posted a video of her saying it and you still said it was false. Also, ignorance is you say "Donald Trump touches little boys" which I got in trouble by staff for quoting YOU on it. You said it, I quoted you and I got in trouble for it. Makes perfect sense right?

 

@EllieEllie I understand what you are saying, although I disagree. The mother does have a choice. No one forced her to have sex. I'll keep saying this no matter what Muunkee or anyone else says because you put yourself at that risk.
You smoke ----> risk of lung cancer
You eat unhealthy ----> heart disease, gain weight, shortness of breath and other medical problems.
You drop out of school ----> higher risk of being poor
You have sex ----> risk of getting pregnant
I can't feel bad for people who put them self at that risk. That's why I am only okay with women having abortions for 2 reasons,
1.) the mothers risk of dying
2.) rape

ALSO!

Abortion Facts - Information on Abortion You Can Use

Someone brought up the death rate of a mother:

Fact check: 800 women don't die each day of it but each year.
Has Maternal Mortality Really Doubled in the U.S.?


Women Are Dying From “Safe And Legal” Abortions
More women die of abortion each year then natural birth. About 47,000 world wide and I see a bunch of numbers for just in America, but you'll see more deaths or medical issues for women who have an abortion then give birth.

Considering around 400 million women give birth each year, 800 of them dying due to pregnancy isn't bad at all.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 25, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 25, 2017 ---

That means .02% of American females that give birth die during labor.

 

Tooooo be fair
the article I found with the same number says that 47K women are dying from UNsafe abortions - Meaning, going up there with a coat hanger and stabbing your insides too much.
That is not the same as abortions legally and safely done in a clinic.
Make this process easier to get and less women die.

Abortions safely done only have a few deaths - The chances are about 1 in 100,000


"As of January 2009, approximately 1,000,000 women in the United States and over 2 million women in Europe have used Mifepristone with Misoprostol to induce abortion, and there have been five deaths associated with the use of Mifepristone in medical abortion. 65
In 2005 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) of the United States published a public health advisory concerning the use of Mifepristone and Misoprostol for medical abortion. In it, the FDA stated, “The risk of fatal sepsis in women undergoing medical abortion is very rare (approximately 1 in 100,000). 37 12 36"

Please do not spread things with leaving out facts

 

If you read the article you would know that it did not say 47,000 deaths. I got the 47,000 number from a different website.

Quote: "A year 2000 government-funded study in Finland revealed that women who abort are four times more likely to die in the year following the abortion than women who carry their pregnancies to term. Women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who are not pregnant".
Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.

The medicine they give you for an abortion isn't even FDA approved for the purpose in which they use it.

I didn't leave out any facts thank you, I provided sources on people who study these things. Not question and answers.

 

A child conceived by rape is not any less important or valuable to me. I wish a mother that was raped would carry the child. However, if the mother wants an abortion because she was raped I will not stop her. I say this because I wouldn't expect a mother that has gone through the trauma of being raped, possibly tortured to have that child. Being raped is a horrible thing and the mother will live with that her entire life, it's a miserable thing. Have you met a rape victim? They worry all day if it'll happen again. The child would be a constant reminder of that day. Even if they put it up for adoption I wouldn't expect them to carry and birth a child that was caused by a rape. It's not that a child is less valuable or unimportant to me, all children and people are equal.

 

FALSE: Hillary Clinton Touts Sharia Law as 'Powerful New Direction' for Women

@MeepLord27 - See? Those who publicly say dumb things deserved to be ridiculed, for the good of humanity.

 

So when it comes to aborted fetuses:

But when it comes to women dying at birth:

So is potential life > life to you?

 

If a fetus isn't a child or a being with worth, why should abortion be a rare thing and not just be birth control? if fetus truly aren't of any value lets chop em all up.

I know, he's gullible sometimes, but in a debate there is no reason to attack people, if someones frustrating you to the point where you would call them stupid, you can just hit the ignore button.

 

I absolutely disagree. If someone is intentionally shunning all reason and factual information in favor of some belief system supported by nothing and then decide to publicly espouse those false beliefs, there is absolutely a reason to attack that person at any level deemed effective.

And it's not him, singularly, he represents a great portion of people in this country. I'm not making the claim all Trump voters are like this but Trump has brought a surprising number of them out and it's a travesty that needs to be rectified. Having opinions opposite is me is all fine and well, but having opinions so far out of left field that are unsupported by fact and demonstrably false is no longer acceptable. We simply cannot let people like that spread their false and ignorant (the literal meaning) ideas.

Being wrong and gullible is also absolutely fine, but not to the point where one refuses to change their view based on actual factual information because "that is what s/he believes." Being wrong and looking for the right answer is not a weakness but a strength, one that I can respect.

I mean there is an embarassing amount of people who voted for Trump that literally thought there was a global elite criminal conspiracy to run a child pedophile ring out of a public, busy, pizza shop in Washington god damn DC. These people cite Alex Jones, who has literally said Clinton and Obama are literally demons.

They absolutely deserved to be attacked intellectually at every conceivable level.

(Also keeping in mind, if Blue was a kid - I wouldn't be so harsh, but he's an adult and there is no excuse, not when we literally have the entirety of human knowledge in out pockets, for the most part)

 

I would take it a step farther and call it blatantly disagreeing with facts, if such a thing is possible at all.

 

It's the woman's body, it's her choice. If she is against abortions, then don't abort the baby. If she wants to, let her do what she wants. Most of us live in America where we have freedom of our bodies. No different. If you can't take care of the baby, you shouldn't have to go through the extremely difficult process of pregnancy.

 

@MeepLord27 no it has nothing to do with me being gullible. I posted a video of her literally saying it and they denied it.

@Deinen my least favorite person but favorite to argue with. Me believeing one thing does not make me believe everything that is out on the media. The media posts many fake news articles (*cough cough* CNN) even though I still watch CNN to see what idiotic moron is talking at that moment. You said Trump was a pedophile and I said Hillary Clinton believes in sharia law. See how that kinda goes together? Let alone the fact she was wearing a Hijab and the way they live. Anyway, that is irrelevant. The problem is you can talk crap about Trump in a bad manner all you want because "he is the current president" but one damn person says something bad about Obama or Clinton or Bernie Sanders and you crap your pants and get your tits all in a twist.

Now back to the thread, Abortion is murder. I'll excuse it if the mother was raped or the mother will die.

When I said only 800 women a year die, yes it's sad for those 800 women but compared to the women that have a great and healthy birth, the number isn't bad at all. Look how many people die of cancer each year? You can try to live this life all you want but you'll never make it out alive. I just think we should allow all babies to have a chance to live.

 

Yeah we only read real news. Like breitbart and infowars.

My point is that judging by what you have said, you believe potential life is more important than life itself because you said that 1 abortion is too many, but 800 women dying from pregnancy isn't much when put in perspective.

 

I said 1 murder. I'm fine with abortion if the mother is going to die or if she was raped. 1 murder a year is 1 too many. Wether is be someone killing a fully developed human or a child in the mothers tummy.

 

I'm not talking about the likelihood of anything; what I'm saying is that if you want to trace a natural chain of events back to its start, it's a grey area because "natural" is defined in a variety of ways and the cause of a child being created can be traced back further than conception. Assuming that we're using "natural" to mean something like "without human influence," then while the creation of a child is almost always the natural result of conception, creating a child is also usually the natural result of being a heterosexual human. While there might be many people who are conditioned by natural factors (those without human influence) to not have kids or have sex, a lot of people (probably the large majority, but the percentage is irrelevant to what I'm saying) are naturally programmed to have sex and reproduce. If someone decides not to have kids because of social reasons or beliefs, human influence is stopping a natural process in its tracks.

Regardless, I think that this is a rather pointless discussion to be continuing on and on about. My main point, which was that something being the "natural" result of what's set in motion is not automatically the right outcome, was illustrated with the disease analogy, not with this. This was more of a minor point.

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One murder is worse than 800 deaths due to pregnancy though?

Edit: I think that you're saying that those deaths are bad because you're okay with "murder" if it's to prevent one of those deaths. If this is so, you're kind of wording it oddly, because you keep stressing how one murder is one too many but I haven't seen you explicitly say that the pregnancy-induced deaths are bad.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 26, 2017 ---

I certainly agree that rape is an absolutely horrible thing and I wouldn't want anyone to have to deal with reminders of the fact that it occurred, but if the choice is between murder and furthering trauma, isn't furthering trauma the route that should be chosen? If it can be said that abortion is certainly murder (in the sense of killing a person, not just cells), does saving the life of the person not outweigh saving someone from trauma?

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 26, 2017 ---

At the beginning of this thread you said that you don't think it's murder until there is a heartbeat. Has your opinion on that changed since then? You seem to be generalizing all abortion as murder now.

 

The woman can do what she wants with her body, I care about the child she is going to murder.

If a fetus has worth, how is it just to kill it because of your own irresponsibility?

(Unrelated, could I see the video? I can't find it?) Like I said, I don't know you that well, I only just started meeping recently, I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking you.

Brietbart has some good journalists, its really about finding journalists you like, and reading what they right, not finding journals you like, and reading what they publish.
rapists should be castrated or killed.