Best Posts in Thread: Abortion

when going to other countries we need to make sure to be as american as possible to make sure our lifestyle rubs off on them. we need to make sure to open-carry, wear an american flag t-shirt, proudly display a backwards dallas cowboys baseball cap, while sipping bud lite out of a mug. if you do anything else youre not a true american

 

I would take it a step farther and call it blatantly disagreeing with facts, if such a thing is possible at all.

 

In sinolying tell BLUEMARLIN he needs to learn english.

 

it is quite literally a form of birth control as it controls a birth that you may or may not have
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edit: In the technical sense its not but I dont know why its s big deal LOL

we're not really mad at you because of your opinion itself. Look at metr0. Metr0 agrees that abortion isn't the best of choices, but he isn't using crappy logic that doesn't make sense to justify himself and he's not being rude about it, so. Maybe if you worded things like an adult you'd be treated like one

Not really the only reasons and again you are looking at it as if it is simple. I dunno if you have any younger siblings or were close to a friend while their mother was preggo with a younger kid, but that mess is so hard for so long, you don't think 9 months is a long time until you're sick and in pain for a lot of it and feel guilty about the outcome of it

You'd rather healthy women die over some cells though so I don't know why I'm even bothering anymore

 

*facedesk*

So people really do take Truenews seriously...

God damn comments like

want to make me kill myself, even though I agree with his conclusions in the first place.



As to abortion, I believe that abortion is immoral and is ending the potential life of a human being. I can however see the case for abortion if the baby (fetus?) is at a high risk for genetic disease or something that would drastically affect its life.

I respect if you disagree with me and I can see your arguments too; in my opinion the difference is that most pro-life people believe that life starts at conception and most pro-choice people would say that life starts when the fetus can survive on its own. That's something that I think we can agree to disagree on, since admittedly the viewpoint that babies are only actually alive when they're self-sufficient is also quite valid; I just disagree.

So in short, abortion is immoral, but neither I nor the government are the moral police. I won't shame you for having an abortion, but I do believe that it's akin to murder since you're robbing a human (or future human) of the right to live, and a human life is (to me anyway, since I'd consider myself fairly religious) something sacred that nobody has the right to take away.

But again, that's just my opinion; I won't try to force it down your throats. Though I think that if you were to have an abortion, there needs to be a reason why you'd get one (i.e. the fetus has a genetic disorder, I was raped, etc.) and not something like "I was irresponsible and decided to have unprotected sex and now I don't want the kid" which I find to be heinous. However I'll admit that that kind of attitude is a lot less common that most conservatives seem to think it is, even though it's definitely out there.

 

Although I agree that abortion should be taken seriously and should be the last option for a pregnant woman, this is just rude and disrespectful to those women, including your mother who bore you for weeks to give you birth.

 

What? No that's not what I'm saying at all. I just don't think someone can use the logic of "an aborted child might be the brain we need" while also holding the stance of "I'm completely against affordable higher education". Nowhere on this thread have I stated any position on abortion.

 

To be fair, at the stages adoption is currently allowed, the fetus could not survive on it's own. Is it fair to call it a life when the life it most represents at that stage is that of a parasite, feeding of the host body?

 

The person with the brain needed to cure cancer is already born. She's alive and well but couldn't afford college tuition so she's working a minimum wage retail job just to make ends meet.

 

This simply isn't true. I was 16 when my now-wife was pregnant with our first, 17 when she was born. We're still married 13 years later with 3 more kids living a healthy and happy life.

 

If I go to another country or place of worship I will show them respect. That doesn't mean I want to join them. For example, when I was going through confirmation at my church, I got the opportunity to visit a Mosque. One thing that they ask is that you don't wear shoes in their worship area. It doesn't matter if I agree or want that in my church, I will show them respect and take off my shoes.

 

To no surprise, little to no substance in a statement and the claim of self ignorance

A child is not a consequence. I don't punish people by giving them a child. How very cynical to use a person's very existence to punish another for having sex. Also, at what point is having sex a bad thing? We have sex for pleasure. Why can someone not have sex for pleasure? Drunk driving is a crime. Having consensual safe sex is not.

Even more worrying, what about this newborn child? You are going to force it to grow up in a situation the parents weren't prepared for. Your gift to that child is the wonders of having a shitty childhood in a home with parents that didn't want him and economically can't support him. That is creating a very unstable situation.

What is the benefit to this? We already have an overpopulation of foster kids that people won't adopt, why add to that problem?

Why are other people being punished with children because your aunt couldn't have a child? So my sister can't have an abortion because your aunt couldn't have a child. Makes sense.
Your aunt couldn't have a kid. That sucks. She can adopt a child. There is no connection on her inability to have a child and someone elses right to not have a child.

 

We consider someone "dead" when there is no brain activity. Someone can have a heart beat but still can be considered dead because they have no brain activity.

 

me seeing you in every debate thread ^^^^

Abortion technically is an extreme form of birth control, as it gets the job done.

Again, the most logical reasoning is coming from muunkee ellie and court so honestly im leaning more towards their side

 

I do not understand your thought process, this is literally the same reason people support abortion. It costs much more to actually have a child and raise it than it does to adopt a child. Maybe if you can't go through the adoption process you're not financially stable enough to be a parent? The same line of thinking is used for those who abort..

It costs between $5,000 to $10,000 per year to raise a child. The average cost of adoption is between $10,000 and $15,000. If you adopt a child over 4 years old you've already saved money.

It's not exactly outrageously expensive, unlike college tuition which can be $60,000+ per year.

I don't know all too much about the adoption process so I can't comment much on it, but I would assume it has to be rigorous in order to keep any weirdo from being able to get a child.

Edit: Additonally an estimated one million LGBT couples are seeking adoption. You've said you want to prevent them from being able to take a kid out of the foster system just because of their sexual orientation. Do you really think a kid has a worse quality of life with gay parents than in the foster system?

How about you go to a foster house and ask how many kids would rather stay in the system than go to a loving home which happens to have two mommies or two daddies.

 

I have not, but I grew up almost next door to an Christian adoption service, and most of those kids were very unhappy. Did you know that at any one time America has roughly 125,000 kids waiting for adoption, with about 25,000 being adopted every year?

 

It's completely ridiculous to say it's reasonable to abort a child because the woman doesn't want to be a mother, or she doesn't have the resources to be one. Adoption or foster care is always an option, even if the kid spends 18 years hopping from home to home they still have a chance for life to be what they make of it after that. Let me ask you a question when you drop your ice cream do you wish you could just opt out of life? It doesn't make any sense to take someone's chance for a good life because they may experience some hardships along the way.

 

At least someone understands what hypothetical means