How is it an issue when it rarely ever happens? You couldn't count the examples on your hand.
Coming from someone who is married and has four children I can tell you immediately that you're wife is another human being who is independent and doesn't need you "to feel comfortable".
As for children, what happens when you are out with your young daughter and she has to use the bathroom? Do you, as an adult male, go into the women's bathroom, or escort your child into the mens? I can tell you from experience that I've never encountered a creeper of the opposite sex in a public restroom but I couldn't count on my fingers the number of times I've had to take one of my kids to the restroom.
To an extent I agree. Coming from a bit older generation I do believe there is some extremes in this identity debate that are absolutely asinine and irritate the hell out of me. Would I think of a male "identifying" as a female as a lesser human being? Absolutely not, but I also would not be overly upset if I called someone who preferred "she" to "he", nor would I accept their claims of being attacked in anyway.
Considering what we know of homosexuality and alt type lifestyles as a science, until you can prove that hormones, chemicals and DNA cannot exercise itself in a way to make a man feel like a woman or vice versa, then there is credibility to the claim of difference between gender and biological sense.
More to the point, why do you care what other people do? What's it to you if Fred wants to be Fanny?
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People on the internet can say how awful they'd feel or whatever if the "wrong gender" went into their bathroom when seriously I've seen girls go in the men's and visa versa especially when one or the other was just too bloody filthy
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He knows that in order to check off his "Good Conservative Checklist" he needs to be for and against certain ideas. This is specifically why he can state the stance of topics but tends to fail when we delve into "Why have you come to this conclusion?" sections of the debate.
He is uncomfortable with the idea of a man using the restroom of his future wife/child/etc ultimately, that has to be the logical origin of the sentiment. But he still has to argue from that origin of thought to the conclusion, which is him saying "I think people should use the bathrooms of their biological sex." We're witnessing him, for the first time, trying to draw that line from A to B, because it's probably never once really entered his thoughts and he's really never actually thought the stance out, much like most of his stances.
This is why it suddenly switched from "I don't want a man in the bathroom with my future wife" to "Would you let .... .... undress in a lockerroom with your ... ...". It's because he's being a fish trying to find a route upstream.
The feeling uncomfortable is a legitimate issue in that it's a real reaction from him and it's not something to blame him for. I'd be uncomfortable too, but that's when you have to just not be a special snowflake and get over yourself because the actual legitimate threat being cited as justification simply isn't there. Even beyond that the reaction of bathroom laws is asinine because it doesn't really address the logical concerns with it, such as why would people willing to commit a felony be deterred by a non-enforceable misdemenor law?
This is because the aim of this law is not to provide a safer environment, because they cannot reasonably show evidence that the environment is unsafe to begin with, but to employer citizens to take the law into their own hands and harass people they suspect in order to alleviate their own uncomfortableness, rather than just not be a special snowflake.Pmx728, flabbadoodle, Erebus45 and 5 others like this. -
The very notion of trying to legislate how people urinate and deficate is asinine and obnoxious. The very notion that this much time has been taken up in the public discourse is worrying. Life should not be catered to everyone's personal needs and issues, it should just equally suck for everyone, which is why the perfect solution is just unisex bathrooms where the answer to someone's problem with it is "Shut up and don't use the bathroom them".
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The solution is simple - Make all bathrooms unisex and the problem is solved.
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If a business wants to enforce a bathroom policy then they should be able to do so, but we don't need big government getting into our personal lives and dictating what we can or cannot do in personal matters. -
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If you're actually transgender you'll be able to lose the bathroom you want and no one will bat an eye. Even if you go into the bathroom of the opposite gender no one cares. I've used the girl's bathroom a number of times.
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You keep on saying that your opinions will "keep people safe." But there are no statistics, facts, or data indicating that preventing trans people from using the bathrooms of their choice keeps people safe.
What about the converse, that denying trans people access to bathrooms is correlated with increased rates of suicide? Do you care about the safety and mental health of trans people too?
http://www.newsweek.com/transgender-bathroom-law-study-suicide-454185
So I'm going to ask this follow-up question: how did you come to the conclusion that preventing people from using the bathrooms of their identity keeps people safe? -
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I'm still waiting for a legit answer to my points
I'll quote them for you in case you wanna see again
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The point of my comment was not about breast size or hair. My point was, I look kinda like a dude! And that means, by your logic, I go to the mens room.
Please read my comments and posts and address them, otherwise you're not really participating, you're flinging your opinion around and not arguing, especially not constructively.
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