PUBLIC BANS

CyborgZeroX

I mean if you want to know the reason and how long the ban is, check the appeal area on the forums and wait for the appeal to go up.

Lets party till sunrise?

Midnight_Galaxy

For myself personally, I'd rather just be able to tell someone the length if they ask me. If a player is banned now, everyone knows why and it can make it more difficult for them to integrate back into the server and the community when or if they are unbanned. I believe the player has already had the punishment with the ban itself, plus any other additions if it's theft/grief/perm. If a player has been banned, I'd rather it be their choice to tell people what they were banned for, there is no need for public humiliation.
When they come back, they have already apologised through ban appeals (which are viewable to everyone), and have done their time so-to-speak. No need to air the dirty laundry if they'd rather take the time, come back from the ban, and start afresh. If they don't want to do that and they want people to know what they were banned for then that's their choice. I think it's important that we give them that choice
~ @EllieEllie

I agree 100%

alex77034

Notice how the people arguing against it are the people who don't log on anymore. I don't think you should give your opinion on a change in game if you don't play in game.
~ @Peero

So a ex-admin who is on forums daily doesn't know what he's talking about?

ldaffodil

Yes, because:

[INDENT][INDENT]*files report*

Response: "This was already handled in game, denied."
[/INDENT][/INDENT]
As it stands, i know if it has already been addressed by staff, so it saves me time and effort.

Also, I'm very much in favor of transparency.

Peero

So a ex-admin who is on forums daily doesn't know what he's talking about?
~ @alex77034

Did you even read my response after that where I very clearly stated what I meant by that? Forums doesn't have the things that happen daily in chat. It doesn't say the reactions of people after bans. And just because he is an ex-admin doesn't mean anything. He doesn't represent the entire community and what he thinks isn't always right.

Kling

I'm very much in favor of transparency.
~ @ldaffodil

As am I but there are some things that are best left behind closed doors.

alex77034

Did you even read my response after that where I very clearly stated what I meant by that? Forums doesn't have the things that happen daily in chat. It doesn't say the reactions of people after bans. And just because he is an ex-admin doesn't mean anything. He doesn't represent the entire community and what he thinks isn't always right.
~ @Peero

His opinion doesn't matter if he doesn't play? Besides, I never said that his opinion is always right or it reflects the whole community. To the contrary his opinion is in the minority. Don't put words in people's mouths.

You wouldn't of needed to explain if you thought before you spoke.

Peero

His opinion doesn't matter if he doesn't play? Besides, I never said that his opinion is always right or it reflects the whole community. To the contrary his opinion is in the minority. Don't put words in people's mouths.
You wouldn't of needed to explain if you thought before you spoke.
~ @alex77034

I am actually surprised at how ignorant you are being. Did you not read my post for the second time? I explained everything in that post. And yes I exaggerated what you said. Get over it.

alex77034

I am actually surprised at how ignorant you are being. Did you not read my post for the second time? I explained everything in that post. And yes I exaggerated what you said. Get over it.
~ @Peero

I never had a problem. Not every disagreement is an attack on you buddy. I'm down for a debate if we can argue with logic and reason instead of with meaningless squabbling.

-Edit-

I read your post and correct me if I'm wrong, but his original point wasn't that people make a large fuss. It was that meepcraft is a business and shouldn't give away personal information that doesn't concern other people. I might of skinmed too quickly though.

-Double Edit-

He argues both. I still think that people might/do weaponize information and make a fuss.

chaos546

Ban messages should remain between the customer and the server. As you can see from a majority of these posts public ban message only serve to provide entertainment to the current playerbase. Additionally you run into instances where players weaponize this information to use against the person banned down the road.
Additionally you open up the avenue for players to criticize a staff's choice on ban amount / message for something that gains the server nothing.
~ @Deinen

This is exactly my thoughts.

*Players understand what's happening to fellow players while on. No one just disappears.

~ @SuperDyl

This was always present in the red /seen line. For example, if I saw someone breaking a rule and wanted to report them, I could just /seen to see if it had been dealt with already.

All in all, I really don't see the point in ban messages being public. It only seems to cause issues or have the potential to cause issues. I mentioned it in shout when it was first implemented, as I was online at the time - I don't see the appeal nor the necessity behind public ban messages, and I find that the want for it seems to only come from a) a place of mistrust in staff to ban with their discretion or b) a place of a desire to ridicule or insult those who get banned. I don't see a pro to it that can't be resolved with less invasive ways, such as checking /seen or if it's a friend or relevant information to you, asking a staff member.

reggles44

So first off this was done to stop the staff team from banning for stupid reasons, not for the enjoyment of a bunch of people who want to laugh at each other. In the end public ban messages are toxic to the community and if you want to keep them public you are promoting toxicity.

On a personal note Kling, you should probably ask admins before making stupid public polls which won't be effecting their decision.

Good luck with the pointless poll.

Kling

On a personal note Kling, you should probably ask admins before making stupid public polls which won't be effecting their decision.
~ @reggles44

You certainly ask the right questions to know I didn't ask for an admins permission for this thread.

Because not everyone on the team can frequently be ingame and see the communities views and opinions on the matter I made this thread because of a statement one of the admins made when releasing the public bans to the team so. Unfortunately I won't say the statement to show you I am in the right with this thread because I do not want to be demoted for leaking but know this was made to inform the staff team on how the community feels about the change whether its mainly positive or negative so it is not great to throw me under the bus saying what I should probably do when you don't know entirely what happens behind closed doors anymore.

At the end of the day this thread is gathering the research we need and have the community voice their beliefs, this will have an affect to whether it stays or not.

Thank you for giving your opinion on the thread though it is greatly appreciated!

EllieEllie

Keeping the public ban messages:
Pros:
*Players understand what's happening to fellow players while on. No one just disappears.
*Players see what it takes to get banned, because they see the moment of the ban.
Cons:
*Players are publicly humiliated.
*Players know what people were banned for.
I see how people may dislike the idea of bans being public, but I don't think peoples' images are adversely affected by displaying the ban publically. At the same time, this acts not just as a form of entertainment, it also shows players when and how people get banned.
~ @SuperDyl

I've had players who have been told to get out of a town purely because of the ban being public, laughed at in global and made to feel awful when all they want is to come back and improve their image.

junelawnchaired

At the end of the day this thread is gathering the research we need and have the community voice their beliefs, this will have an affect to whether it stays or not.

~ @Kling

I mean this in the most not-staff-bashing-way: you know what would be an even better way to gather community research? A public town hall meeting in discord, in which we talk about this and other topics. That way people can voice their opinions rather than being keyboard warriors, because lots of things get misunderstood this way. One of the trademarks of "old meep" was the town hall meetings, they were fun and brought the community together, and stuff got done - Fuzzlr hears things right away, as well as the admins.

LordInateur

I mean this in the most not-staff-bashing-way: you know what would be an even better way to gather community research? A public town hall meeting in discord, in which we talk about this and other topics. That way people can voice their opinions rather than being keyboard warriors, because lots of things get misunderstood this way. One of the trademarks of "old meep" was the town hall meetings, they were fun and brought the community together, and stuff got done - Fuzzlr hears things right away, as well as the admins.
~ @junelawnchaired

I very much miss town hall meetings. I would definitely support a post that officially recommends in the Suggestions Forum.

Kling

A public town hall meeting in discord, in which we talk about this and other topics.
~ @junelawnchaired

They were fun but the only reason why I do not find them greatly effective is because after all the hall meetings I attended everything that was discussed when it comes to things being done and changes nothing really happened 6 months prior to the meeting. I do agree though that they are nice for bringing staff and the community together for everyone to voice their opinions better, I wouldn't mind one being done.

Kling

Public bans and kicks are now private. We will be sure to continue giving the correct reasoning for all bans and if you believe there is a problem you can always file a staff comment.

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