A New /Warp Shop that will Benefit the Economy

Natsu

"What exactly is the time period known as 'Legacy'? "
I don't really know much as I've only been here since September and everything was the way I explained in September.
"I can say from up to three months ago the shop definitely had a sell feature. Anyway, I haven't logged in and actually taken a look at /warp shop in a while which is my fault, but I'm almost a thousand percent sure that the sell shop feature was not implemented in gamma because there were so many things to do."
Okay. Maybe you are thinking about shop from back ago :)
"This section just highlights why selling in /warp shop is a sin, it doesn't need to be current and is a reminder on how bad sell prices in /warp shop is."
Yes, I can't agree more.

"Everyone and their mother just got logs from /warp shop. I'm aware that the newest shop might have not had log buying and selling, but since the shop is being reworked at the moment, I think its still necessary to put that part in in my post to avoid another mistake."
I don't think they are going to bring it back but fair point.

"'THIS ALSO HURTS BIG BUSINESSES' literally made me laugh."
I'm glad I made your day

"Big Business should not be a priority, it should be new players. Literally everyone rich in meepcraft does with their money is hoard it, and thats coming from me who was the richest player on the server for months."
Yes but it is the rich who build amazing stuff and buy ranks. If you can't get rich on this server then there would be no point.

"I admit I was wrong when I proposed to make the stall price 2k, it was three AM and I wasn't right in the head, I believe 1k would be the best price to encourage new players to make stalls while also promoting people to make stalls in greater numbers. Even if you were not able to log on everyday, your items in your stalls would be transferred to a special vchest where you could withdraw, but not deposit, items. Even if you're not able to log in everyday, there's other ways to sell items such as on shout, and you could still safely rent stalls. Buying a stall everyday is not a necessity."

Again, I don't think it's a good idea as I and @KlutchDecals stated previously, there is no space, no time to code, no need because there are player owned malls with lower taxes.

"Dude, it's literally a custom rank. I can safely predict that no fewer than four people, and probably much more, would be entertained by the thought of having a new flashy prefix before there name."
Okay, why code for something that only four people use.

"Since people literally have millions on meepcraft and have no way of selling them, this could be a moneysink to remove currency from the server. This feature literally has no downsides, there's going to be players who purchase it."
This is true, and you make a good point, but I don't think people would want to get off of baltop for just a custom rank. We'll see.

"Your post about emerald ore is actually extremely valid. You said mining was profitable, but I'd tend to argue that it's barely scraping viability. Instead of making the server control emerald ore prices, we could just give a hefty price for breaking it for jobs, but only if it's safe to do so."

Yes, I agree. Thank you for your suggestions:)

PS: I'm sorry I couldn't color code, since I'm typing on my phone :/

KlutchDecals

Does this mean all jobs are buffed, or just the ones where you could sell the items to shop?
~ @LargeUnit

All have been buffed.

Khafra

Big Business should not be a priority
~ @7acespade

If you can't sell ores to shop, and only players buy ores, a big business should be a priority. Players with lots of money can buy ores from other players and stimulate the economy.

7acespade

If you can't sell ores to shop, and only players buy ores, a big business should be a priority. Players with lots of money can buy ores from other players and stimulate the economy.
~ @Khafra

That's flawed thinking, theres no incentive to buy ores from other players because of a lack of taxes and the fact that liquidated money is a lot more versatile and easy to use. If you take a look at the richest people on meepcraft, you could easily come to the conclusion that they hoard money and are not interested in "buying ores" because these very same ores decrease in price due to lack of demand and increasing supply.

Khafra

That's flawed thinking, theres no incentive to buy ores from other players because of a lack of taxes and the fact that liquidated money is a lot more versatile and easy to use. If you take a look at the richest people on meepcraft, you could easily come to the conclusion that they hoard money and are not interested in "buying ores" because these very same ores decrease in price due to lack of demand and increasing supply.
~ @7acespade

@PseudoGod

Was the richest player on meep until he and inexxer bought ultimate. From the day I've met him to the upcoming server, he has always bought ores. Ores show wealth without a physical bal, they allow you to have amassed any amount of meebles without anyone knowing.

Many other shops including /pwarp mc, /pwarp gmall (until it died), /pwarp shop, /pwarp black have all bought and sold ores. Those are only the pwarps I remember. Rich players always want material items, I did in alpha and bought nearly 40 double chests of gold blocks. Also, many rich players invested money into building town spawns, building shops, which stimulates the economy. ie;

Rich player #1 hires someone to build a town spawn -> builder gets paid 100k for materials in advance -> builder buys materials from a shop -> shop owner buys more materials and resells.

3-4 People benefit from that, depending on which shop the builder buys it from. If that player never had money, no money would move. The economy would be in a stalemate with the players, where no money leaves, no money is transfered, no money is earned. Technically, /warp shop is a big business, as it sold unobtainable items and unlimited of those unobtainable items. Players having a business doesn't harm anyone, as both the player and the shop owner mutually work together to both earn money. It's been that way since I first logged in during 2012, and it will still go on after the server is reinstated.

Natsu

That's flawed thinking, theres no incentive to buy ores from other players because of a lack of taxes and the fact that liquidated money is a lot more versatile and easy to use. If you take a look at the richest people on meepcraft, you could easily come to the conclusion that they hoard money and are not interested in "buying ores" because these very same ores decrease in price due to lack of demand and increasing supply.
~ @7acespade

Tb fair Matt and Pseudo were the richest meepers so they know how rich people work

7acespade

@PseudoGod
Was the richest player on meep until he and inexxer bought ultimate. From the day I've met him to the upcoming server, he has always bought ores. Ores show wealth without a physical bal, they allow you to have amassed any amount of meebles without anyone knowing.
Many other shops including /pwarp mc, /pwarp gmall (until it died), /pwarp shop, /pwarp black have all bought and sold ores. Those are only the pwarps I remember. Rich players always want material items, I did in alpha and bought nearly 40 double chests of gold blocks. Also, many rich players invested money into building town spawns, building shops, which stimulates the economy. ie;
Rich player #1 hires someone to build a town spawn -> builder gets paid 100k for materials in advance -> builder buys materials from a shop -> shop owner buys more materials and resells.
3-4 People benefit from that, depending on which shop the builder buys it from. If that player never had money, no money would move. The economy would be in a stalemate with the players, where no money leaves, no money is transfered, no money is earned. Technically, /warp shop is a big business, as it sold unobtainable items and unlimited of those unobtainable items. Players having a business doesn't harm anyone, as both the player and the shop owner mutually work together to both earn money. It's been that way since I first logged in during 2012, and it will still go on after the server is reinstated.
~ @Khafra

Wait, all I'm saying is that the economy should be tailored towards new players more than richer players. Its more important for 15 more people to join the server as regulars than have one person get 5,000,000 meebles and maybe give 1,000,000 of it away to make some town. I'm not saying that rich people should not exist and that they should be shunned upon, thats the exact opposite. There will always be rich people on meep and they're actually very important people who simulate the economy. I'm just saying that focussing on big business screws over smaller ones, such as with /pwarp chestshops. When chestshops exist without a vshop, people will always go to the popular ones such as /pwarp shops and /pwarp shop, leaving many newer players unable to sell items and compete with the recognizability of these shops. Sure, these things simulate the economy, but it leaves a lot of newer people in the dust.

Tb fair Matt and Pseudo were the richest meepers so they know how rich people work
~ @Natsu

I was the richest person on Meepcraft for a solid year and a half, and for a large portion of it I had triple the balance of the person in second.

metr0n0me

When chestshops exist without a vshop, people will always go to the popular ones such as /pwarp shops and /pwarp shop
~ @7acespade

I don't mean to be rude, but I seriously fail to see how this is disputable. When someone asks in shout: "Where can I buy ___ item?," the response is never going to be "Try /pwarp noobshop." Instead, it's always going to be "/pwarp [insert big shop here]." While it's true that newer players can advertise, it's very difficult to generate enough traffic to even pay back the /pwarp costs.

Plus, another aspect that's being overlooked is that it takes a significant amount of capital to open a shop in the first place. You need to build the shop, obtain a bunch of chests, and sell a *bunch* of items. People pay for convenience--very few people are going to run around to 50 different shops to save 200 meebles.

I learned this the hard way a while back. I set up a pwarp and had the best prices on the server for all the ores, diamonds, and wood. Yet as much as I advertised (I even got access to a supreme alt to have colored chat), I failed to make a profit.

7acespade

I don't mean to be rude, but I seriously fail to see how this is disputable. When someone asks in shout: "Where can I buy ___ item?," the response is never going to be "Try /pwarp noobshop." Instead, it's always going to be "/pwarp [insert big shop here]." While it's true that newer players can advertise, it's very difficult to generate enough traffic to even pay back the /pwarp costs.
Plus, another aspect that's being overlooked is that it takes a significant amount of capital to open a shop in the first place. You need to build the shop, obtain a bunch of chests, and sell a *bunch* of items. People pay for convenience--very few people are going to run around to 50 different shops to save 200 meebles.
I learned this the hard way a while back. I set up a pwarp and had the best prices on the server for all the ores, diamonds, and wood. Yet as much as I advertised (I even got access to a supreme alt to have colored chat), I failed to make a profit.
~ @metr0n0me

Exactly!

metr0n0me

Exactly!
~ @7acespade

Also, about the stalls thing. I'm personally indifferent about the idea--it doesn't seem very space-efficient, but I suppose it has its pros as well.

If it's implemented, there should be a renew feature that allows you to renew your rent for like (pulling numbers out of my head), 1.1x the previous day's cost.

Like, say you got a shop in a really nice location, for 1k the first day. You sell 20k worth of items, so you renew it, and pay 1100 the next day. You again make a profit, so you renew again and pay more rent the next day. It might be a good way to take money out of the economy.

7acespade

Also, about the stalls thing. I'm personally indifferent about the idea--it doesn't seem very space-efficient, but I suppose it has its pros as well.
If it's implemented, there should be a renew feature that allows you to renew your rent for like (pulling numbers out of my head), 1.1x the previous day's cost.
Like, say you got a shop in a really nice location, for 1k the first day. You sell 20k worth of items, so you renew it, and pay 1100 the next day. You again make a profit, so you renew again and pay more rent the next day. It might be a good way to take money out of the economy.
~ @metr0n0me

I was thinking of making a mini-server for the new stalls, it would have a limited, but modest amount of space. Its basically creative but with smaller plot sizes and a system to retrieve goods after a stall expires.

WhoNeedsJimbo

I might be going off-track, but we used to have these "hologram ads" that you could rent and you could advertise whatever. Also-

Custom Capes

MOJANG: NOPE

Natsu

I don't mean to be rude, but I seriously fail to see how this is disputable. When someone asks in shout: "Where can I buy ___ item?," the response is never going to be "Try /pwarp noobshop." Instead, it's always going to be "/pwarp [insert big shop here]." While it's true that newer players can advertise, it's very difficult to generate enough traffic to even pay back the /pwarp costs.
Plus, another aspect that's being overlooked is that it takes a significant amount of capital to open a shop in the first place. You need to build the shop, obtain a bunch of chests, and sell a *bunch* of items. People pay for convenience--very few people are going to run around to 50 different shops to save 200 meebles.
I learned this the hard way a while back. I set up a pwarp and had the best prices on the server for all the ores, diamonds, and wood. Yet as much as I advertised (I even got access to a supreme alt to have colored chat), I failed to make a profit.
~ @metr0n0me

That's why you get a mall shop. Shop owners in malls have been successful and they could make quite a lot of wealth with lower taxes

Khafra

I don't mean to be rude, but I seriously fail to see how this is disputable
~ @metr0n0me

It's not. Not just on this server but on every single one you will ever play. Experienced players understand the ins and outs of a server's economy much more than the kid who logged in for the first time today 15 minutes ago.

An economy will always benefit old players. If a new player can make money fast, old players can make money twice as fast.

edit: We've all been new players at one point, and we adapted to this server. Dedicated people will thrive on the server, and it will always be that way. In one week of playing gamma, I made 1.5 million meebles (until server files were deleted). If you have the ability to think outside of the box you can make money.

Adrian

Aarett

/sell [item name] [number of item] [price per unit]
/buy [item name] [number of item] [max price per unit]

I forget the plugin name, but I thought it worked really well. Everything was among players so there was no addition of money to the economy or blocks. Pretty sure meep used to use this, not 100% tho... thoughts?

metr0n0me

/sell [item name] [number of item] [price per unit]
/buy [item name] [number of item] [max price per unit]
I forget the plugin name, but I thought it worked really well. Everything was among players so there was no addition of money to the economy or blocks. Pretty sure meep used to use this, not 100% tho... thoughts?
~ @Aarett

Yeah we still use it.

Aarett

Yeah we still use it.
~ @metr0n0me

Aight, I haven't been on server in like a year, but what I remember is selling and buying with an instant transaction at a set price to the server. O well

metr0n0me

Aight, I haven't been on server in like a year, but what I remember is selling and buying with an instant transaction at a set price to the server. O well
~ @Aarett

Yeah, that got scrapped and the system you described came back.

OneBreadSlice

TL;DR Whats the main focus of getting money into the eco if they shops can't be sold infinitely at /warp shop? New players still need to be able to obtain currency quickly without getting mass amounts where the eco is inflated and everyone and their mom owns a town?

And don't tell me minigames, Meep is a Towny/Eco server, not a hub for minigames.

Sorry if this was already addressed, I didn't want to skim every novel written by OP and others.

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