okay, so now that trump* is the president

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I'm going to be voting for Hillary. Not because I want to, but because I'm not really given any other legitimate options. I gave Trump a chance. I thought during the Republican Primary that his views were just a facade to win the Primary. After that, I thought he would make his move to the center, representing the views he's held for the majority of his life. I was wrong. He's doubled down on a lot of his positions he made in the Primary. If Hillary is a .75 strength Obama then that's alright I guess. She will nominate liberal supreme court justices and the country is likely to not melt down during her time.

Deinen

he said things and he apologized for them... but thats the only thing you guys have on him so you keep bringing it up... Well Bengazi
~ @Garde7

But he then turns around and says more stupid shik. Like freedom of press needs limits, how the election is rigged. Outside of being an orange lunatic, this man is so ignorant he is incapable of shutting up, literally just not opening his mouth is what he had to do, and he is incapable of this.

n00bslayer_99

Skaros123

you were to trust ur life to somebody and they said they would save you, Which one would you believe. A Liar or a Bully
~ @Garde7

I think trump is also a liar, so it's not like I have much of a choice. Every president so far has released their tax returns. Why won't trump, the billionaire with questionable business tactics and tax history, release them?

When hillary tried accusing Bernie of something, he released his tax returns and proved nothing out of the ordinary. Why not trump?

Garde7

But he then turns around and says more stupid shik. Like freedom of press needs limits, how the election is rigged. Outside of being an orange lunatic, this man is so ignorant he is incapable of shutting up, literally just not opening his mouth is what he had to do, and he is incapable of this.
~ @Deinen

lol true :D but the election could be rigged hillary has the press under her thumb. And I dont agree with limiting the press dumb idea. Hillary is anti guns/ pro murdering babies (abortion)

I think trump is also a liar, so it's not like I have much of a choice. Every president so far has released their tax returns. Why won't trump, the billionaire with questionable business tactics and tax history, release them?
When hillary tried accusing Bernie of something, he released his tax returns and proved nothing out of the ordinary. Why not trump?
~ @Skaros123

Trump at least owns his mistakes

Pmx728

lol true :D but the election could be rigged hillary has the press under her thumb. And I dont agree with limiting the press dumb idea. Hillary is anti guns/ pro murdering babies (abortion)
Trump at least owns his mistakes
~ @Garde7

I don't think Trump has ever apologized in his entire life. Even the "apology" about the video with Billy bush, it looks forced, he doesn't apologize for what he said but apologized to the people that were offended, and uses the video to bash Hillary.

Also if you haven't studied politics yet, a limit on gun laws and pro choice are two big democratic views. Usually during the primaries, candidates tend to appeal to the more partisan (more extreme) voters (as they are most likely to vote in the primary), then come back to the middle (more moderate) to get the average voter.

Garde7

I don't think Trump has ever apologized in his entire life. Even the "apology" about the video with Billy bush, it looks forced, he doesn't apologize for what he said but apologized to the people that were offended, and uses the video to bash Hillary.
Also if you haven't studied politics yet, a limit on gun laws and pro choice are two big democratic views. Usually during the primaries, candidates tend to appeal to the more partisan (more extreme) voters (as they are most likely to vote in the primary), then come back to the middle (more moderate) to get the average voter.
~ @Pmx728

I have BTW. Trump did in a debate (did you watch the debates?) and Trump bashing Hillary and Hillary Bashing Trump thats what ist been.

Also if you haven't studied politics yet, a limit on gun laws and pro choice are two big democratic views. Usually during the primaries, candidates tend to appeal to the more partisan (more extreme) voters (as they are most likely to vote in the primary), then come back to the middle (more moderate) to get the average voter.
~ @Pmx728

Yes now look at Trump in that Light, He isn't as Bad anymore (still bad just not as)
Look at Hillary in that Light.. Its the stuff she is trying to cover up that makes her bad so it doen't really change much (She is worse than Trump)

~ @n00bslayer_99

hahaha this made me die lol lmao Rofl its so true

Pmx728

I have BTW. Trump did in a debate (did you watch the debates?) and Trump bashing Hillary and Hillary Bashing Trump thats what ist been.
Yes now look at Trump in that Light, He isn't as Bad anymore (still bad just not as)
Look at Hillary in that Light.. Its the stuff she is trying to cover up that makes her bad so it doen't really change much (She is worse than Trump)
hahaha this made me die lol lmao Rofl its so true
~ @Garde7

Trumps views never changed and are still radical.

- Ban on Muslim immigration
1. Go's against the 1st amendment
2. It is insanely rediculous and inspires hate

- Border Protection
1. A wall will just cause more debt
2. Won't solve the issue (If you were going to jump the border and come to America and saw a little wall, I'm pretty sure you not just gonna turn around and go home)
3. Inspires hate towards latinos

- Health Care
1. As someone who wants to work with health care when I grow up, I can agree that ObamaCare is pretty bad, but getting rid of affordable health care will only worsen the problem.
2. Getting rid of affordable health care would mean that about 20 million people would lose health care. (If you need me to go more in depth I can)

As someone who watched all three debates, the only effective policy he has proposed is a taxation on imports.

Garde7

all true, i can't get heath care with the affordable heath care... I dont think it will be a little wall, and How does it inspire hate?... Agree We just need to be more careful not ban muslim immigration .

You watched all three? awesome so did I, lol they make me angry

Deinen

lol true :D but the election could be rigged hillary has the press under her thumb. And I dont agree with limiting the press dumb idea. Hillary is anti guns/ pro murdering babies (abortion)
~ @Garde7

1. A clump of cells is not a human. Abortion can be classified a number of ways, but murdering a human is not one of them. Science already explains this for us.

2. Our election is not rigged and is highly improbable to be. Voter fraud is also largely a myth. The press is a lot of things, but outright rigging elections is not in their catalog. Press publishes what gains viewers and makes them money, Trump's inability to act like an actual human being is a main reason he has the coverage. Notably the number of newspapers who has endorsed Republicans for their 100+ years are refusing to endorse or outright denounce him can be attributed to his ignorance quality.

3. Regarding guns, I think perhaps her stance is misrepresented. I disagree with the notion of gunmakers being liable after a lawful sale but there may be merit when she says gunmakers have a type of immunity no other producer of goods has. Overall an armed citizenry is good, but there needs to be real gun control.

Garde7

1. disagree, So a baby is a clump of cells, so are you. Science can not prove anything and Scientist can be wrong. If you kill the "clump of cells" you are killing the person that it Grows into. If I had been aborted, then My parents would have murdered me. My brain hasn't completely devolped yet, does that mean im not completely human? And the "clump of cells is human btw"
2. agree
3. I really don't think it is, early on she made some statements about guns and police officers that makes me wounder. but i could be wrong

Deinen

1. disagree, So a baby is a clump of cells, so are you. Science can not prove anything and Scientist can be wrong. If you kill the "clump of cells" you are killing the person that it Grows into. If I had been aborted, then My parents would have murdered me. My brain hasn't completely devolped yet, does that mean im not completely human? And the "clump of cells is human btw"
2. agree
3. I really don't think it is, early on she made some statements about guns and police officers that makes me wounder. but i could be wrong
~ @Garde7

No, if you were aborted, you never would have existed. One may have merit arguing that abortion would prevent what usually becomes a human being, depending on the birth death rates in whatever country you're comparing. But to say it's murdering a person is factually incorrect. The question of what makes a human being is a question that has been asked since it could be asked, we have not answered it. I would argue, the state of fetus in a legally allowed abortion does not have any unique consciousness, nor anything attributing to a living, independent entity.

FACT CHECK: Are Gun-Makers 'Totally Free Of Liability For Their Behavior'?

This does a pretty good job explaining it, as it turns out it was less misrepresented than I thought.

Toostenheimer

~ @Viperfan

This will be possibly the only time I will like this post by you.

Imperfectly

#Bernie

Bernie Sanders shoulda won.

buttfly29

#Bernie
Bernie Sanders shoulda won.

feel the bern

Garde7

feel the bern
~ @buttfly29

lol

Adrian

it could have been worse

XxNine_TailsxX

Trumps views never changed and are still radical.
- Ban on Muslim immigration
1. Go's against the 1st amendment

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~ @Pmx728

This doesn't have anything to do with the first amendment because the government is not prohibiting them from being Muslim and they're not U.S citizens.

nhjed

oops

Qaws

Elections aren't til November 8th.
Don't be like these guys: Dewey Defeats Truman - Wikipedia
Anyway. Neither option is good, let's all throw 'em back in the pot and try our luck again.
~ @Fangdragon1998

you were wrONG ANYWAYS

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