Lowering Pwarp Taxes

ThecrazyJJ

would never call you or anyone lazy for making a suggestion, I don't think you understand what I meant when I replied it is not that you are lazy I am saying you are unsure on how to attract players and make money, the pwarp tax is at a good price. If you believe voting is the only good way plus you half peoples prices and still do not make money you do not understand the economy there are needs for all kinds of items, you just need to find them. Once you understand the economy more and know how to make decent money you will know why the tax does not need to change.
~ @Kling

Well the rhetoric you staff (Klutch in particular) have been displaying states the contrary, but I do accept you trying to right that misconception of mine. Anyways, it's not as if I don't understand the economy (I've made more that 850k) , all I'm saying is that it's very difficult (especially now after the tolls of the deflation are actually starting to cause effects) to make money in this aspect of the server, especially for those who are new and wanting to get into the field.

Kling

Well the rhetoric you staff (Klutch in particular) have been displaying states the contrary, but I do accept you trying to right that misconception of mine. Anyways, it's not as if I don't understand the economy (I've made more that 850k) , all I'm saying is that it's very difficult (especially now after the tolls of the deflation are actually starting to cause effects) to make money in this aspect of the server, especially for those who are new and wanting to get into the field.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

In your first statment to me you said since you have 2 pwarps it is difficult to keep profit but if you have 850k you have no dramas. You made it as though you are one of the people with money problems with every reply but if you have that much then you must know how to currently make money so I don't understand why you kept telling me its hard.

Since it is directed for new players I am still a -1 it is something they can work towards each day to keep their tax up if it does not make huge profit because if it is easier that what it is there will be a huge increase of the 'giants' having more pwarps.

CluelessKlutz

I see what you're saying, and agree pretty well with it. The only thing is that the only effective way to create stimulus server-side is a) lowering taxes or b) having a /warp shop . Since b has been stated to be out of the question, I went with a , and of the wide umbrella of taxes to decrease, I chose the Pwarp tax (partially because of my own bias) , but more so in light of the fact that I feel asking for towny taxes to be decreased would be insta- shot down. In any case, you're right, we don't want everyone to have a shop, so perhaps if we increased the out front cost to buy a shop, but lowered the daily cost to about 2.25-2.5k /day , that would combat the issue, whilst addressing the arguments you 'no-ers' have. Furthermore, if the towny taxes (like I advocate for) were also decreased, it should be a decent change.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

I too understand the logic to which you are referring to. I disagree with the idea of lowering Towny taxes. Currently, the tax per plot is 25 Meebles. With a level 20 farmer job, right now, at this very moment, you can make at least 100 Meebles in a minute. The taxes and prices for new land of the Towny plugin is already very low. To create on pwarp, it costs thirty times as much as claiming the plot it is on (if it is a normal plot, while it is six times as much for an outpost).

With the removal of the server shop, I believe the economic focus is moving towards the vshop. Now, there are currently several issues with the shop, which are already on Trello. That is something that is server-side that techs can work on to stimulate the Eco. Which, means if anyone finds any kind of issue, we need it to be reported, either here on the forums, or even just a simple /modreq.

Of course, all this is void if this "Jobs Update" you staff have been ranting about were to come out and work the wonders I've been hoping it would. Please, I beg of you staff, really think thoroughly into the implementation of this update: I know my tone and words make me seem like I'm rushing you guys, but this really needs to be a home run here.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

I'm going to be completely honest here; I have no idea about the new jobs plugin. I cannot say if it will work or not, because I am not part of the project. However, you're free to suggest any ideas, or express possible concerns about it. I, for one, love reading suggestions, whether I agree with the idea or not.

ThecrazyJJ

In your first statment to me you said since you have 2 pwarps it is difficult to keep profit but if you have 850k you have no dramas. You made it as though you are one of the people with money problems with every reply but if you have that much then you must know how to currently make money so I don't understand why you kept telling me its hard.
Since it is directed for new players I am still a -1 it is something they can work towards each day to keep their tax up if it does not make huge profit because if it is easier that what it is there will be a huge increase of the 'giants' having more pwarps.
~ @Kling

A large percentage of what I've made has come pre -removal of /warp shop, and in these days every day I see my margins shortening whilst the taxes in proportion to my income increases. And if people are having to reach into their reserves (for me, mostly what I've gotten beforehand) , that's reflexant of an Eco where buyers don't have the money or confidence to make investments/ buy medial things. Seeing as lowering the taxes is a quick thing staff can do to help combat this issue (heck, make it temporary until jobs / something else comes out), I believe it to be the best quick fix we have in our arsenal. I mean, if something were to happen soon Eco-wise it'd be okay, but as long as we're not changing anything and still losing 400k per day, it's gonna be really hard for people to keep up.

CanadianMinerBoi

You all talk about prices, someone please do explain to me the purpose of taxes in the game.

iGwampa

You all talk about prices, someone please do explain to me the purpose of taxes in the game.
~ @CanadianMinerBoi

It balances out the economy

CluelessKlutz

You all talk about prices, someone please do explain to me the purpose of taxes in the game.
~ @CanadianMinerBoi

Taxes are one of the only ways money has always been taken out of the economy, and keeps everything in circulation. Say we didn't have pwarp taxes at all, then someone could just spend the money to make a bunch, and you couldn't get the name you wanted. They keep those pwarps in circulation, so that if someone has pwarps, and they quit, that pwarp name can be used at a later date.

Summers

Taxes are one of the only ways money has always been taken out of the economy, and keeps everything in circulation. .
~ @CluelessKlutz

It actually removes it from circulation causing less items to be bought which than leads to items decreasing in value.

Say we didn't have pwarp taxes at all, then someone could just spend the money to make a bunch, and you couldn't get the name you wanted. They keep those pwarps in circulation, so that if someone has pwarps, and they quit, that pwarp name can be used at a later date.
~ @CluelessKlutz

Easier fix is to limit the amount of pwarps a player can own and increasing with rank also giving a reason to donate.

CluelessKlutz

Easier fix is to limit the amount of pwarps a play can own and increasing with rank also giving a reason to donate.
~ @Summers

Unfortunately, that is seen as an "advantage."

Summers

Unfortunately, that is seen as an "advantage."
~ @CluelessKlutz

So is many other things that were (not sure if still) in the game yet they stay due to them not having a noticeable advantage. "/Jobs" 1 x n (n being rank)

CluelessKlutz

So is many other things that were (not sure if still) in the game yet they stay due to them not having a noticeable advantage. "/Jobs" 1 x n (n being rank)
~ @Summers

The difference between the two is, Mojang has already cleared the system in which jobs are distributed. We would require as such again to do that to pwarps. Besides, what about those who wish to own more pwarps than the Legend cap? People like @PseudoGod built an economic empire in Legacy, with twenty-two pwarps. Limiting the number of pwarps therefore limits the amount of success a person can have building shops and such.

Summers

The difference between the two is, Mojang has already cleared the system in which jobs are distributed. We would require as such again to do that to pwarps.
~ @CluelessKlutz

Stop making things up lmao.

Besides, what about those who wish to own more pwarps than the Legend cap? People like @PseudoGod built an economic empire in Legacy, with twenty-two pwarps. Limiting the number of pwarps therefore limits the amount of success a person can have building shops and such.
~ @CluelessKlutz

It's not worth my time to figure out a solution. Economy on minecraft doesn't work when you don't add a lot of custom items or have a large player base.

Adrian

I agree that the eco is going down, BUT decreasing /pwarp taxes just makes the rich richer. To fix a problem we need to think what ADDS to the eco not REMOVES. For example, Increasing Voting, Mini-Games, And Things like Increasing Ore spawning percentage. What I listed affects all players not the rich.

KittyKat999

-1

Though the economy isn't looking good, lowering the price of things is the worst answer. Let me explain:

Lowering the price of things may delay the economy "crashing" or "draining", lowering the price is in a way helping it. Less meebles mean a lower price on everything, just how candy used to be 1 cent.

The fix is new things added to the server or things being more rewarding (I'm talking votes, minigames, arcade, and /jobs). And that's why there's a suggestion subforum, no? The server wants ideas! And fixes! Not delays!

Yours, (bad fix),
~Kat

Courtneyyy

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