Lowering Pwarp Taxes

ThecrazyJJ

Intro
I'll keep it brief. Through a bit of investigation one can easily see that the eco is in a state of deflation. That means less money for the average player, and therefore, less money to spend and create demand. This is an issue for players hoping to operate shops, as it's becoming increasingly hard to keep up with taxes, especially if you have multiple Pwarps. Here's my suggestion:
Suggestion
Cut the Pwarp taxes from the current 3k to 2k per Pwarp. This will help all those hoping to run successful shops thrive better in this tight economy, and delay the deflation currently ravaging the server. Personally, I also advocate for other taxes to be reduced, but to me, this tax is the one most necessary for our economy right now.

Please answer the poll, and leave any comments with your opinions down below! Have a great day! :)

Khafra

-1 it's not like they work anyways

builderjunkie012

inb4 klutch adds tax-free notes to voting

Natsu

Or we can make it easier for new-comers to start off. When you join, you get no money, and crappy leather armor with wooden tools. How are they supposed to survive a noght with that? They die, and they quit. No players added: everyone has no money because no one is there to spend money.

~Natsu

(My personal experience as a starter)

Kling

Or we can make it easier for new-comers to start off. When you join, you get no money, and crappy leather armor with wooden tools. How are they supposed to survive a noght with that? They die, and they quit. No players added: everyone has no money because no one is there to spend money.
~ @Natsu

What are you on about, every Meepcraft player started out like that, you did to and you are still here. Also everyone has money, what do you mean no one has money?

I am a -1
If you vote 6/7 days of the week you will have your pwarp tax covered for the week.

Meeting

-1 The current pwarp cost is good. It keeps the economy down, so people can't get like 100 billions of pwarps.

ThecrazyJJ

If you vote 6/7 days of the week you will have your pwarp tax covered for the week.
~ @Kling

Except that I also pay 4k per day in towny taxes, not to mention if I sell on Vshop. Besides, what's the point of owning a shop if it's difficult to keep it profitable. I've severely undercut the market for many things @ /Pwarp Ecomall , and even then I struggle to have a reliable customer base. I shouldn't have to rely on other forms of income to keep a shop running.

Anyways, people seem to not like this idea, even though the Meep eco loses like 400k per day. In that case, I'd really like to know when the Jobs Update is coming, to help at least alleviate the lack of demand in the market.

EDIT
It's even worse for me, cause I have 2 pwarps - one which I make no money on but gotta keep cause in the future it'll be open.

Kling

Except that I also pay 4k per day in towny taxes
~ @ThecrazyJJ

Then make your shop better or think of another way to make money instead of suggesting to make it easier.

what's the point of owning a shop if it's difficult to keep it profitable.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

There is your answer, just like in life if a shop is barely profitable stop owning one or make change to your prices.

Natsu

What are you on about, every Meepcraft player started out like that, you did to and you are still here. Also everyone has money, what do you mean no one has money?
I am a -1
If you vote 6/7 days of the week you will have your pwarp tax covered for the week.
~ @Kling

I'm only still here because I got help from kind people that cared that cared to help me. Not everyone gets that help. Also, my experience as a millionaire in skyblock on my previous server helped me. New people just quit before they learn how to make money, is what I'm saying. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Pwarp taxes are expensive, I agree.

ThecrazyJJ

Then make your shop better or think of another way to make money instead of suggesting to make it easier.
There is your answer, just like in life if a shop is barely profitable stop owning one or make change to your prices.
~ @Kling

As I said, my prices undercut all prices. I advertise 24/7 when I'm on. And clearly making money is a bit too difficult when deflation is happening.

By the way, suggesting to make it easier is a completely valid suggestion. Do governments not cut taxes / interest rates to help incentivize growth and demand?

Finally, is this really a good economy if the only good way to make money is voting? Jobs are pretty good, but when I undercut my prices by 1/2 what others have, and still have troubles finding people to buy, there's a problem. I'm sure anyone else who wants to make a living by selling things can sympathize. As you staff said, your goal in removing /warp shop was to increase player / player interaction, but all I've seen is a steady decrease, accompanied by deflation. Our economy should not be staying afloat by simply voting, but by the real work I / others put in everyday mining / woodcutting / etc for materials that CAN actually sell for a decent price, because we all have a decent amount of extra money to spend. If people like me vote and do our jobs everyday, and we still can't combat this deflation / lack of demand, than this is clearly something server-side, and I'd prefer if you staff stop calling us lazy for suggesting we have the means to support ourselves on this server. Anyways, done.

nath.banana

Maybe if you make like 5+, then lower to 2k for each one after idk.
But -1 for what you said...

TechnoTyson

I don't feel the pwarp tax needs changing at all so -1

Photoave12

As an owner of 6 pwarps, sure, i wouldn't be opposed to lowering the tax in times of economic depression such as this.

Kling

deflation is happening.

~ @ThecrazyJJ

I'm not sure what prices are still being lowered on vshop, everything I buy has stopped going down and is now sitting at a base price.

Finally, is this really a good economy if the only good way to make money is voting?
~ @ThecrazyJJ

Since the new change I think I have only voted 5 times if that and I make a decent amount a day. If it was the only good way I would be doing that but I am too lazy to click links.

If people like me vote and do our jobs everyday, and we still can't combat this deflation / lack of demand, than this is clearly something server-side, and I'd prefer if you staff stop calling us lazy for suggesting we have the means to support ourselves on this server. Anyways, done.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

I would never call you or anyone lazy for making a suggestion, I don't think you understand what I meant when I replied it is not that you are lazy I am saying you are unsure on how to attract players and make money, the pwarp tax is at a good price. If you believe voting is the only good way plus you half peoples prices and still do not make money you do not understand the economy there are needs for all kinds of items, you just need to find them. Once you understand the economy more and know how to make decent money you will know why the tax does not need to change.

iGwampa

With 80mil in the economy in a little more than a month, I'd say keep it. I really don't understand why people own more than 2 pwarps, but ok. Ifs not hard at all to make 75k an hour. I'm going to stand at a +/-

Natsu

With 80mil in the economy in a little more than a month, I'd say keep it. I really don't understand why people own more than 2 pwarps, but ok. Ifs not hard at all to make 75k an hour. I'm going to stand at a +/-
~ @iGwampa

Lol when your total bal has been staying at 80k for days now

Jobs aren't helping, vote isn't helping, I just chop wood and sell them, but no one needs wood anymore, no one buys ebooks these days. I guess I'll help out people for free

iGwampa

Lol when your total bal has been staying at 80k for days now
Jobs aren't helping, vote isn't helping, I just chop wood and sell them, but no one needs wood anymore, no one buys ebooks these days. I guess I'll help out people for free
~ @Natsu

The gambling addiction is real m8

CluelessKlutz

I understand the amount of concern people have right now about the economy, as I too think about it a good deal. There are dozens of things the server can do to stimulate the economy that have the possibility of increasing player interaction.

However, lowering the taxes on pwarps will not help with this. If we are looking to stimulate player interaction, lowering pwarp taxes will not affect this, because then everyone and their pet wolf can own a shop. What happens when there's too many shops? Prices lower even more, making it necessary to lower the taxes again. The process continues to the point that nothing is worth selling.

I agree we need more changes to improve the server economy, but lowering pwarp taxes will not help the issue.

ThecrazyJJ

I understand the amount of concern people have right now about the economy, as I too think about it a good deal. There are dozens of things the server can do to stimulate the economy that have the possibility of increasing player interaction.
However, lowering the taxes on pwarps will not help with this. If we are looking to stimulate player interaction, lowering pwarp taxes will not affect this, because then everyone and their pet wolf can own a shop. What happens when there's too many shops? Prices lower even more, making it necessary to lower the taxes again. The process continues to the point that nothing is worth selling.
I agree we need more changes to improve the server economy, but lowering pwarp taxes will not help the issue.
~ @CluelessKlutz

I see what you're saying, and agree pretty well with it. The only thing is that the only effective way to create stimulus server-side is a) lowering taxes or b) having a /warp shop . Since b has been stated to be out of the question, I went with a , and of the wide umbrella of taxes to decrease, I chose the Pwarp tax (partially because of my own bias) , but more so in light of the fact that I feel asking for towny taxes to be decreased would be insta- shot down. In any case, you're right, we don't want everyone to have a shop, so perhaps if we increased the out front cost to buy a shop, but lowered the daily cost to about 2.25-2.5k /day , that would combat the issue, whilst addressing the arguments you 'no-ers' have. Furthermore, if the towny taxes (like I advocate for) were also decreased, it should be a decent change.

Of course, all this is void if this "Jobs Update" you staff have been ranting about were to come out and work the wonders I've been hoping it would. Please, I beg of you staff, really think thoroughly into the implementation of this update: I know my tone and words make me seem like I'm rushing you guys, but this really needs to be a home run here. And, in my opinion, implementation of it with some / all of the tax decreases I've stated is a good idea, but what do I know about macro-economics? Anyways, done again.

Photoave12

I see what you're saying, and agree pretty well with it. The only thing is that the only effective way to create stimulus server-side is a) lowering taxes or b) having a /warp shop . Since b has been stated to be out of the question, I went with a , and of the wide umbrella of taxes to decrease, I chose the Pwarp tax (partially because of my own bias) , but more so in light of the fact that I feel asking for towny taxes to be decreased would be insta- shot down. In any case, you're right, we don't want everyone to have a shop, so perhaps if we increased the out front cost to buy a shop, but lowered the daily cost to about 2.25-2.5k /day , that would combat the issue, whilst addressing the arguments you 'no-ers' have. Furthermore, if the towny taxes (like I advocate for) were also decreased, it should be a decent change.
Of course, all this is void if this "Jobs Update" you staff have been ranting about were to come out and work the wonders I've been hoping it would. Please, I beg of you staff, really think thoroughly into the implementation of this update: I know my tone and words make me seem like I'm rushing you guys, but this really needs to be a home run here. And, in my opinion, implementation of it with some / all of the tax decreases I've stated is a good idea, but what do I know about macro-economics? Anyways, done again.
~ @ThecrazyJJ

Wb 50-100k to buy a warp and 1-2k daily upkeep