Its not a donation.

epick8

It.Is.Not.A.Donation. I'm baffled how its still called a donation by so many people. The term is used to imply that you have no rights as a person who spent money, but you do. You are customers. These are not donations. You buy a product and exchanged money for it. This isn't an argument, there isn't really much to discuss. Legally, its a purchase. You cannot write this off for a tax deduction. Even the owner of the server came on and essentially said they were purchases.

I'm saying this for two reasons.
1) The fact that this was settled long ago and people still blindly argue that it is with no substantial evidence beyond that fact that the server says donations.
2) It disempowers the supporters of the server by essentially saying that once you hand over your money, you are entitled to nothing because I call it something its not. Its a trick and its not something those who keep the server afloat should fall for because they are the reason this server remains. Don't be fooled.

Marshy_88

This is a donation, these are just perks that happen when you give, like say, a church's membership, or a donation, and you get a pen or a bear

Redolwolf

http://www.meepcraft.com/threads/eula-bypassed-kits.59389/
This discussion was already basically brought up here, did you really need to create a thread about it?

I already admitted I was wrong.

nhjed

the best minigame server mineplex is a much more popular server and its highest rank costs about 60$ (I know it's 120$ but 90% of the time they have 1/2 off)

Our server's highest rank was 320$ and didn't offer nearly as much as what that other server mineplex does. We've never gotten lower than 25% off, either.

The fact that we put ourselves on that level is one of the many reasons as to why the server is crumbling to its demise.

mineplex 50,000 active players /=/ meepcraft 80 active players

If we are the best towns server, shouldn't we be on the same level as the best minigame
server? best not used as an opinion best used as a factual statement based on server reviews

being truthful/talking bad about the server are two different things

Pmx728

the best minigame server mineplex is a much more popular server and its highest rank costs about 60$ (I know it's 120$ but 90% of the time they have 1/2 off)
Our server's highest rank was 320$ and didn't offer nearly as much as what that other server mineplex does. We've never gotten lower than 25% off, either.
The fact that we put ourselves on that level is one of the many reasons as to why the server is crumbling to its demise.
mineplex 50,000 active players /=/ meepcraft 80 active players
If we are the best towns server, shouldn't we be on the same level as the best minigame
server? best not used as an opinion best used as a factual statement based on server reviews

being truthful/talking bad about the server are two different things
~ @nhjed

Mineplox dropped to about 10,000 active players :p

epick8

This is a donation, these are just perks that happen when you give, like say, a church's membership, or a donation, and you get a pen or a bear
~ @Marshy_88

Completely wrong. Dein argued the same thing and got bodied for it. Its a product because its an exchange of money for a virtual item that constantly evolves as time goes on. Your example of a church membership is also completely false because the only reason church memberships are tax deductible is because they are a religious organization. Your membership to any other group is not tax deductible. Your membership to Hulu is more of what this is. You can't use an organization that is completely different than the one we are talking about to make your point. This is a for profit server and should be treated as such.

http://www.meepcraft.com/threads/eula-bypassed-kits.59389/
This discussion was already basically brought up here, did you really need to create a thread about it?
I already admitted I was wrong.
~ @Redolwolf

Heyy. I'm sorry that you felt targeted by this and I can see why you did. This honestly wasnt' aimed at only you. This is an annoying problem that extends to a lot of people beyond you ,who continue to make a ridiculous argument that does nothing but take away power from donors. I'm really happy you saw dein's side. A lot of people see this as a donation and its just not true and i dont want people to keep thinking it.

Redolwolf

Completely wrong. Dein argued the same thing and got bodied for it. Its a product because its an exchange of money for a virtual item that constantly evolves as time goes on. Your example of a church membership is also completely false because the only reason church memberships are tax deductible is because they are a religious organization. Your membership to any other group is not tax deductible. Your membership to Hulu is more of what this is. You can't use an organization that is completely different than the one we are talking about to make your point. This is a for profit server and should be treated as such.
Heyy. I'm sorry that you felt targeted by this and I can see why you did. This honestly wasnt' aimed at only you. This is an annoying problem that extends to a lot of people beyond you ,who continue to make a ridiculous argument that does nothing but take away power from donors. I'm really happy you saw dein's side. A lot of people see this as a donation and its just not true and i dont want people to keep thinking it.
~ @epick8

Apologies for thinking it was aimed at me. I appreciate your kind response to my stupidity :)

Deinen

Completely wrong. Dein argued the same thing and got bodied for it. Its a product because its an exchange of money for a virtual item that constantly evolves as time goes on. Your example of a church membership is also completely false because the only reason church memberships are tax deductible is because they are a religious organization. Your membership to any other group is not tax deductible. Your membership to Hulu is more of what this is. You can't use an organization that is completely different than the one we are talking about to make your point. This is a for profit server and should be treated as such.
Heyy. I'm sorry that you felt targeted by this and I can see why you did. This honestly wasnt' aimed at only you. This is an annoying problem that extends to a lot of people beyond you ,who continue to make a ridiculous argument that does nothing but take away power from donors. I'm really happy you saw dein's side. A lot of people see this as a donation and its just not true and i dont want people to keep thinking it.
~ @epick8

Apologies for thinking it was aimed at me. I appreciate your kind response to my stupidity :) ~ @Redolwolf

Umm

What the hell, civil discourse is not allowed on the internet. Go back to hurling insults, thanks.

Redolwolf

Umm
What the hell, civil discourse is not allowed on the internet. Go back to hurling insults, thanks.
~ @Deinen

I don't remember how to be rude to people, someone roast me so I can remember again.

OneBreadSlice

I don't remember how to be rude to people, someone roast me so I can remember again.
~ @Redolwolf

Your toes are too long.

Im indifferent on this. Either way you're wasting money on a dying video game on a dying server. Personally, I would spend the $20 on to upgrade my rank on a new video game that will give me more enjoyment than on a server that has so many upper staff changes and conflicting interests.

Splendy

Wouldn't you rather spend it on something completely unrelated to video games?

What else is there apart from video games? Are you stupid?

builderjunkie012

It's a purchase, yes. You give money to the server in exchange for a rank, meebles, heads, fireworks etc. However, you do not give money to the server in exchange for power over what is developed in terms of mini games, plugins, and donor perks. You can still have an opinion, but at the end of the day staff make the decision and it gets passed up the line to techs with fuzzlr at the top. Just like how it works with any other business, you buy the product, not a say in how the company is run. And, like every other company out there, if you don't like how things are being run, you can choose not to buy the product. Why it's called a donation, one can speculate or just ask fuzzlr

Deinen

It's a purchase, yes. You give money to the server in exchange for a rank, meebles, heads, fireworks etc. However, you do not give money to the server in exchange for power over what is developed in terms of mini games, plugins, and donor perks. You can still have an opinion, but at the end of the day staff make the decision and it gets passed up the line to techs with fuzzlr at the top. Just like how it works with any other business, you buy the product, not a say in how the company is run. And, like every other company out there, if you don't like how things are being run, you can choose not to buy the product. Why it's called a donation, one can speculate or just ask fuzzlr
~ @builderjunkie012

Agreed, but there is one thing a customer can have that a simple donor cannot. Expectations of service.

That is the ultimate cost of the terminology, a customer has a reasonable right to expectations of service.

Splendy

Nothing, just every other thing in the world?
Perhaps he only meant he was spending the $20 on video games? He simply said that he would rather spend it on another game. Unless I cannot comprehend it, he never said he was only going to spend it on video games.

Nononono you don't understand. Why spend your money on actual items you can touch when you can spend it on a game (which you've already purchased with your own money) and making said game easier or prettier? You must be stupid to not realise which one is the better option!

builderjunkie012

At the end of the day it was some stranger's $160 dollars that was ""donated" in exchange for my own savings of meebles, so I could care less.

Agreed, but there is one thing a customer can have that a simple donor cannot. Expectations of service.
That is the ultimate cost of the terminology, a customer has a reasonable right to expectations of service.
~ @Deinen

But if I pay my taxes and get one unit of political power in return, is that a donation, purchase, or mandated payment.

Deinen

At the end of the day it was some stranger's $160 dollars that was ""donated" in exchange for my own savings of meebles, so I could care less.
But if I pay my taxes and get one unit of political power in return, is that a donation, purchase, or mandated payment.
~ @builderjunkie012

The point is moot because of two massively different systems.

You pay taxes because if you don't, you'll go to prison.

builderjunkie012

The point is moot because of two massively different systems.
You pay taxes because if you don't, you'll go to prison.
~ @Deinen

And if you go to prison you don't get any political power. So would it be a purchase

Deinen

And if you go to prison you don't get any political power. So would it be a purchase
~ @builderjunkie012

That's some mental gymnastics there.

builderjunkie012

That's some mental gymnastics there.
~ @Deinen

It's been 42 hours since I slept last. It's amazing what runs through your mind at this point

epick8

At the end of the day it was some stranger's $160 dollars that was ""donated" in exchange for my own savings of meebles, so I could care less.
But if I pay my taxes and get one unit of political power in return, is that a donation, purchase, or mandated payment.
~ @builderjunkie012

Irrelevant either way to anything being talked about.

And if you go to prison you don't get any political power. So would it be a purchase
~ @builderjunkie012

Again. Irrelevant. But its a required payment yes. Its not a purchase because the government decided to give you something back.

It's a purchase, yes. You give money to the server in exchange for a rank, meebles, heads, fireworks etc. However, you do not give money to the server in exchange for power over what is developed in terms of mini games, plugins, and donor perks. You can still have an opinion, but at the end of the day staff make the decision and it gets passed up the line to techs with fuzzlr at the top. Just like how it works with any other business, you buy the product, not a say in how the company is run. And, like every other company out there, if you don't like how things are being run, you can choose not to buy the product. Why it's called a donation, one can speculate or just ask fuzzlr
~ @builderjunkie012

Fuzzlr calls it that because its easier to fight charge backs and it disempowers the consumer into thinking that they don't have the right to expect anything from the server, when in fact they do. They don't have decision making power per say, but if the rank sellers all decide that they won't donate until fuzzlr adds a certain plugin, you can bet a pretty penny that its going to be done real quick. So, there is some power over things, but its not one that is exercised and for the better that it not be.

To use your own example, If 85%% of apple consumers said that they wouldn't buy another apple product unless they changed their ban on gay employees, Apple is going to change that policy real quick.