Minimum Wages

I would like to point out that in Seattle, the minimum wage increase cause a pizza parlor to shut down, which put 11 people out of a job. Do you think they're better off with a $10 minimum wage and a job, or a $15 minimum wage and no job?

 

Personally yes I do, and so what? This is meant to be a kind and understanding debate. Some people explain their views positively and negatively, but you got to remember about diversity and different ways people think. But from that a higher wage to me says, "You can rethink about the people's pay, or you can piss off elsewhere". If you prefer the lower wage, that's okay, your decision, not mine.

 

Or just don't budget stupidly? there are thousands of scholarships (having green eyes gets you a thousand dollars) and many Americans did this. Many Americans got loans. The average school loan payment is under $300 a month. Thats a phone bill.

Just them with a kid. No loans, no help, no nothing but them and their $12 an hour. She lives within her means. She has a decent house in a safe neighborhood but she doesnt go out to eat all the time. She doesnt have personal luxuries but she honestly doesnt complain half as much as people making $15 and $16 an hour.

False, the government will help you. The problem is you have to want to succeed. You have to do the job you don't want to do. You have to work long hours. My dad makes a load of money every year, I'm not gonna lie but he worked 12 hour days 6 days a week to get where he is today. He traveled to other countries to do work and came home every other weekend just to keep his family taken care of. Im not saying that everyone needs to fly over seas but his job was in America but did work sometimes over seas.

My step brother applied at 8 jobs, no high school diploma (drop out) and got hired at all of them. He obviously only works at 1 of them but if he can get 8 jobs as a high school drop out. You can get a job. It just means you have to get a littler stinky sometimes.

No, its because it takes 0 skill to do that and the demand for those jobs are so high. Why should a teacher be making the same as a cashier? (i also think if were raising the wages of anyone it should be teachers, nurses, military personnel etc) not your Mc. Donald's "Hi can I take your order" (even though they are gonna mess it up some how) people.

IDK how the economy works in Australia. Just because you take an economics class in Australia doesnt make you an expert in America. They are way different. Come to America and see how people act and why they should not receive the pay that they "want".

Name 1 person who has been born from the day they were born until they died. Im saying that if you lose a job and don't get back up on your feet within a year or so. You are probably lazy or just a bad budgeter.

I think someone living in Australia shouldn't be shoving their nose in the wages of American workers.

You'd rather the minimum wage go to $15 an hour and people lose a job vs $10 and people continue working?
Why do we have to rethink your claim and if we don't agree we have to "piss off" elsewhere?


Sorry it took so long to answer - I honestly forgot all about this irrelevant thread.

 

I said "that's how I see it". Didn't mean you all have to think like me, that's what I thought when it came to the pizza parlour closing down like that.

Never said I was shoving my nose in it, this was meant to discuss what you think of minimum wages and whether or not to raise it.

If you mean "who has been born from the place of birth, until they died" to be perfectly honest, thousands of Native Australians have. If you mean what you wrote, I don't know what you are trying to say.

Never said I did take an economics class, as well as an expert in economics.

That's Communism. Entirely different thing. And again never said that. Cashier is different to a teacher, but should have a basic pay amount.

Once again, never said you need to finish school. A basic requirement is being nice to people, not using slang, dressed appropriate, etc.

As another quote above, I do not know much of how your government can help, you could just explain it to the tread. In Australia we have Centrelink to help (but is just awful).

Well that's good to someone on $12/hour, but do you know anyone on $8/hour? Even a few dollars more an hour can help.

The average phone bill is about $80/month not $300/month.

 

I'm going to do calculations for the US because I live there. Personally, I think that $15 an hour is a little too much in some areas. The minimum wage is currently $7.50 and this earns, by most calculations, $14,000 a year. The government has decided that anyone earning less than $21,000 is in poverty and needs financial help by the government, as long as the person works on trying to find work. Looking at this information, I see no reason that the minimum wage is set at an amount which results in having less money then the government feels anyone can live off of. For this reason, I believe the minimum wage should be $10.25, as this brings the equations to bring all workers to the poverty line. This isn't any perfect solution, but it's a lot more reasonable for companies to pay then jumping to double pay.

 

That sounds about right to have the poverty line at less than $21k/year.

Yeah, that should be a good pay to start with. Marlin says $12 can be done. So the lowest American wage should be $10.25.

 

Depending on where you are, it is impossible. In my small city of 300,000, we have 50,000 Uni students, and almost every one wants a job when their courses end. That makes it impossible here. I saw a Tim Hortons put up a sign, and I printed off an application, but the spot had been filled. In 3 hours.

 

Yeah, some places are impossible to get work after Uni courses. To me, I found the best balance of both high school education and work experience the better way to go. You get up experience, getting people likely to pick you and education to those who require it for the job (Like office jobs).

 

Minimum wage is not a living wage, as a result, U.S taxpayers subsidize labor costs for corporations who pay minimum wage or slightly above. Why are we subsidizing their profits?

 

No body promised you an easy life. No one promised you to make good money. Suck it up and get a better job is all I can say. To start out at $15 an hour at Mc. Donald's is ridiculous. Now if you worked here for 10 years and are an expert Mc. Donald's happy meal maker then maybe you can earn that $15, but not to start.

 

Why would a financially responsible limited government agree to subsidize a massive corporation's labor cost?

 

how they gonna eat?

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my god youre more of a drain on society than people on welfare

 

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying as a high school student, I cannot get a job. This advice is bad, many jobs REQUIRE a bachelors degree.

 

This is not true. You can find work part-time as a high school student generally after the age 16.

 

@Marshy_88 the jobs are probably all taken by Blue Marlins step brother.

Seriously though I understand your point. I just wanted to try showing Blue that laziness is not the only factor for not having a decent job.

 

Never said laziness was the only factor but it's one of the big ones.

 

Yes you can find work, but where I live, without proper degrees, you'll earn less than $60,000 a year(43,000 USD)

 

Absolutely, you are not finding a career at this point and stage in your life.

 

Anyone should feel lucky to make 20k while in high school. Most families only bring in 50k a year on average. However, push cart operators shouldn't be making $15 an hour they should be making $10 max. Teachers should be making way more then a push cart operator or Mc. Donald's employee. No skill needed to work there besides a 3rd grade math level and a 8th grade communication level.

 

Well workload doesn't always translate to salary or wage. Otherwise, let's get janitors in the top 1%. I don't disagree with you on what's ideal, but that's all it is.