Pro Life or Pro Choice?

this may sound a bit harsh, but not every human has a right to live. Natural Selection, in my opinion, should be more emphasized in this world. Those who are unable to make it in the world should not survive, and this perfectly applies to those of aborted fetuses. Those fetuses who died in an abortion were not fit to live, due to the fact it died.

 

An abortion is when a fetus (healthy or unhealthy) is terminated before birth. As such, what you're saying was that if somebody kills you, it's O.K., because it means you weren't fit to live.

True, in our societies there are things you can do to forfeit that right, such as killing someone else.

Social Darwinism then? Breeding a superior race?

 

Your ignorance makes you unfit to live.

 

The ironic thing is, this statement supports his argument.

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Just a question out of the blue...
Both of you are (supposedly) over 18... Have either of you signed up for the draft?

 

Signing up for the draft is independent of stance on abortion.

 

True, but I figure I'll use the same argument as they're using.

 

I know I have a horrible history with debate threads but I'm just going to state my opinion and have this be my only reply on this thread .

As a Catholic (please don't judge me) my faith does not allow me to believe in pro choice. I'm pro life. I look at it like this, what would you think if you were that "skin" or whatever the hell they call it. That will eventually form a living human being who could have a bright future and live a happy life. But theres 2 sides to every story.
I'm only for pro choice if the woman has been raped or was forces to have sex, as that baby will not have a very strong family unless adopted.

Going back to my religious beliefs
The Catholic Church prohibits getting abortion, as we consider this murder, and IMO it is in some ways
The child may not feel pain, yet it is still a child in developmental phase which still makes it a child. Its confusing and all that, but I agree with Pope Francis on lots of topics such as this, IE gay marriage abortion etc.
I'm very religious and I have to follow what's a part of that, HOWEVER, there are certain circumstances that DO make it ok. But I'll just say it. If you don't want a baby. Don't have sex.
+ I agree Mel

I agree with most of this (except the part where you talk about the kid of course).
Mel look at it this way and not many people do. What would you think if that was little baby you
Inside of a mothers womb, only to be sucked out or destroyed before you were even given a chance to live. It sounds fairly harsh. I actually am for the "no uterous no choice" because as a male I do not know what it's like to be pregnant or deal with being pregnant! All of my things here are mostly things that I've thought of, so I'm not disagreeing with you. As a male I don't know what its like for a female, so honestly, do what you want. Just consider what would happen both ways. You live without a child and be lonely except for you sexual partner, or near a child and enjoy and make memories you never thought you'd have.
Just consider it

 

I love you

 

This makes me extremely sick to my stomach. Everyone is fit to live. "Natural selection" are you kidding me? That is sick. So it's like going to the pumpkin patch and picking the best one? Its not that simple, and you are obviously ignorant to this topic

 

Wow. Don't you...uh... Think we should take things a little slower?

 

*cringes*

 

Not everyone is fit to live. The fact we have medicine in the world proves that in nature, humans aren't ALL fit to survive. We only manage to save the weak due to the ability to come up with solutions that help the species as a whole. No way in the nature would every human be "fit to live"

 

Natural selection is why everything is the way it is today. Darwinism (I'm just assuming this is what he means), was one of the driving forces of evolution. Most of the mental disorders stem from some kind of inbreeding / bad genes. In a modern society like our own, it is unlikely to stop helping those who are "less fortunate" than us. But, in an ideal world, everyone would be selectively bred and we would have somewhat of a superior race composed of only the smartest and strongest humans. Don't call people ignorant just because you don't like what they say.

 

What about disease. So if you get the flu and need meds you're obviously not fit to live? Come on man. I also have an uncle with down syndrome and he is just the sweetest thing ever. He works at a small candy store as a cashier and is able to function in society. Without medicine, plagues and global spread pandemics would evidently cause our species to cease to exist.

 

If you get the flu and you need meds, you would not be fit to survive in nature. However, medicine makes Natural Selection less of a driving force of evolution in the Human species. In a way, the person who took meds to get the flu is making the gene pool less strong than if he didn't.

 

No... Natural selection is the driving force behind evolution. Darwinism is the explanation of natural selection, that the organisms best suited to survive survive best. Social darwinism, which is what Mr. Shift was talking about, is when you kill 'undesirables' in order to purify the gene pool. It's what the Nazis did in Germany.

Different from killing people.

 

Humans would evolve around surviving plagues and disease.

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That's why I said assume, also I wasn't exactly referencing Darwinism as a whole.

 

Doesn't mean you don't still have a right to life, and I believe your premise was that you would forfeit this right if you died.

 

Honestly, I shouldn't have come on this debate forum (lol). Everytime I do, some feminist, a catholic, and a debate master attack me all at once. Only one of them actually has good points, (hint: it's not the feminist or the catholic)

 

Except surviving the flu has less to do with your genes and more to do with how healthy you are.

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Welcome to 2016.