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Nut Crackers (what to do about them?)

Discussion in 'Denied' started by bloodyghost, Jan 2, 2018.

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Which change seems most balanced for Nut Cracker Pickaxes?

  1. Changing Efficiency 7 to Efficiency 5.

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  2. Adding a cap to the unbreakable effect (mine a certain amount and it breaks).

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  3. Removing Fortune 3 from the picks.

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  4. Removing unbreakable status altogether.

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  5. No nerf.

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  6. Other (please explain below)

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  1. bloodyghost

    bloodyghost local haunt

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    There recently seems to be a lot of speculation about the impact Nut Crackers (the completely unbreakable efficiency 7 picks introduced by the christmas event) have/are apparently having on the economy. Personally, I find that the immense amount of time players put in to acquiring said picks cements their value and that removing them/removing their unbreakability in a drastic way would cause an uproar among players like myself who spent anywhere from 10-20 hours grinding or spent around a million meebles to acquire them. Bottom line is, they are very likely to be nerfed, so before it's too late I'd like to discuss some of the best ways for them to be modified.
    Here are some ideas I have heard/come up with so far:
    1. Change Efficiency 7 to Efficiency 5
    Right now, having a Nut Cracker is like having infinite Haste II wherever you go. If Nut Crackers kept their unbreakable status and their fortune 3 but had less efficiency they would still be well worth the effort to get them.
    2. Add a cap to the unbreakable status
    This has to be my least favorite suggestion, but seems to be the one most likely to be implemented. Basically, the item would lose its unbreakable status after mining a certain amount of blocks. This idea is practically the same as removing the unbreakable status, but would be a way to keep people from being as angry about it. Kinda just a sneaky way of doing it, all around not the best option in my opinion.
    3. Remove fortune 3
    One of the other advantages of the pick is fortune 3, which practically allows you to strip mine for diamonds, emeralds, etc without ever having to stop to switch pickaxes. This is probably the softest nerf, but would still be a nerf that would dampen the effect of the pickaxe.
    4. Remove unbreakable status altogether
    Pretty straight forward, the pickaxes would pretty much go back to Unbreaking 5 or 10 or similar. This would be the least compromising option and would pretty much render them unsignificant (and make a lot of hard working players angry).
    5. No nerf
    This seems to be the least likely to be accepted, but it has some weight behind it. Players are already losing pickaxes to various deaths (usually involving lava). Picking this suggestion basically puts faith in the fact that Nut Crackers are a lose-able item and they will slowly eliminate themselves from the supply. I think this is definitely probable and reasonable.

    Obviously I am in most favor of options 1, 3, and 5, but I would like to hear input on which one you guys favor (or if you have other options in mind). This is not because I own a Nutcracker, but because I recognize that not only did people work hard to obtain them, but it is not in good management for something to be introduced and almost immediately revoked. I am not sure if intensive balancing work was put in beforehand, but if the necessary amount had been done, I doubt staff would be considering this now.

    In the end I hope staff recognizes what players went through to obtain these pickaxes and that changes to them should be well dwelled on and should take input from the community.
     
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  2. 417Mario

    417Mario Celebrity Meeper

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    it took long enough for me just to get 50 greens, so imagine the time it would take to get that many purples. I would be very disappointed if I grinded for purples for a week or so and this happened.
     
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  3. bloodyghost

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    Just heard that a mod/a few mods have said there will not be nerfing, any high staff that can confirm? If so this thread won't be necessary. @KlutchDecals @NinjaRoxy @LordInateur
     
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  4. evilalec555

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    No nerf they ain't that op
     
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  5. smk

    smk Celebrity Meeper

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    No nerf. There are not enough but crackers to make a massive change to the economy (and let’s be honest, no one will reasonably get 1 mil worth of profit from the pickaxe when you could easily have 250000 god pickaxes for the same price).

    Also, the stock of nut crackers can only go down from here on. Since it won’t have a huge effect, and the numbers will only drop, I don’t see why a nerf or removal would be needed.

    I guess that means I’m a -1, since the solution I support is no action.
     
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  6. FamousZAmos

    FamousZAmos Popular Meeper

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    Skyblock's maybe gonna get a reset, you really think staff cares that you killed creepers for 12 hours straight? You guys are like family, but you have to admit clue's worked 1000+ hours, maybe 2,000 on Legend. 12 hours of grinding mobs who mostly don't even fight back is nothing at all. I do realize it isn't a massive issue now though, I just want to point out it's broken xD honestly of the ~12 players who got one, I expect 8 or more to lose it from lack of skill/knowledge and accidental deaths, meep's playerbase simply isn't skilled enough to not die lol. I'd accidentally q it in a week. peero died with it. twister lured 2 people with a nut cracker at once I think. We all die, some just carry around their most expensive tool.
     
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  7. bloodyghost

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    Actually, I am taking the side of No Nerf as well, as I indicated in the suggestion. Its more of a discussion thread but I felt it belonged more in suggestions section.



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  8. hardegat

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    This should have been a discussion, not a suggestion.

    Too many people are concerned about the economy while having no experience or knowledge about how the server eco works, we have staff, let them worry about it. We should be worried about how fun it is to play on the server and ways to make it more fun and let the powers that be decide how to balance and make it work.

    The events are great for player retention and interaction. The way presents became the new currency and players trying everything they can to get to their goals while stimulating player to player interactions is what I would call a huge success. Had it not been for the Nut Cracker, an item everyone wants but not everyone will get, interest would have dwindled. Just the possibility of being able to get it is what kept people going.

    Now data can be collected and measured so that at the next event they can decide to remove items or adjust drops etc. etc. The fact that the event was extended to give people more of a chance to get the prizes should indicate they didn't feel too much was being gained by players.

    Personally, the Nut Cracker and Shulker Boxes were the only worthwhile prizes to me. I'd take the meeble value of the presents over any of the other prizes or not bother with the event at all.
     
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  9. Kling

    Kling Break blocks not hearts

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    Just wait for everyone to die with them.
     
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  10. hardegat

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    Inevitable, tick tock
     
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  11. ekjhgekuie

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    Do nothing about them. People put in the work and got their pickaxes. You are in no position to have any effect on the outcome and anybody that put in the 40hrs+ of grinding to get the pickaxe does NOT want a nerf. If you really want them gone just wait a few months... enough people will lose them from misplacement, mobs, fall damage, etc. A few were already lost in a fireworks show that went wack and killed the crowd.
     
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  12. lanekids40

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    lol really! hahahha how did it go wrong?
     
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  13. FamousZAmos

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    so basically
    Everyone hopes you die with your 500k pickaxe lol and we don't care that you grinded for one cause that's your problem
     
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  14. LordInateur

    LordInateur Deus Ex Machina Staff Member Administrator

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    Thank you for posting this thread but at this point in time we do not plan on implementing this suggestion.
     

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