Killing dogs and animal ethics

Ok im sorry for cutting in, but he has his opinions and im sure you do to. Just please do not start fighting about it if you disagree. You need to be professional in a debate like this. Say you disagree, and state at least 2-3 reasons why. That will make a strong arguement. Not being more than that. Im not fighting, just stating a suggestion

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Ok im sorry for cutting in, but he has his opinions and im sure you do to. Just please do not start fighting about it if you disagree. You need to be professional in a debate like this. Say you disagree, and state at least 2-3 reasons why. That will make a strong arguement. Not being more than that. Im not fighting, just stating a suggestion

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As long as you use the meat you gather from hunting deer and stuff, thats totally ok.

 

I did not say that I only condone killing for the sole purpose of survival, I think you can also eat meat because you enjoy it. I just am against killing for the sake of it, and excessive killing, while waiting meat.

 

cows taste good, dogs don't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Thats kind of what i meant to say i just phrased it wrong, Oopsie.

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BTW I didnt say that i quoted it from MeepLord. Im not salty

 

I take this to imply eating meat isn't in your opinion in vain? I challenge you to explain why consuming meat in our society is anything but a egoistic luxury.

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Most meat doesn't come from hunting buddy.

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Every argument I have made has had a series of premises and conclusions. All of these premises are self evidently true so they require nothing more than an a priori logical demonstration. If I say "93% of narwhales die due to oil spills" this requires proof but if I say "if oil is spilled in the habitat of a narwhale it might die" I don't require proof.

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Not an argument.

 

In our society, I agree that meat has become somewhat of an egotistic luxury, as you describe it - despite the fact that it provides you with some vital proteins. I did not state the opposite, when I mention killing animals in vain, I mean killing animals just for the shear sake of killing them, and not using their remains. If you kill a cow, use its fur, its leather, eat its meat and organs, hell even use its horns, as the Swiss do! But I wouldn’t - ever - support just killing an animal and leaving it to rot on a field.

 

You have talked about how people at farming factories enjoy "Killing animals for pleasure." When they don't even kill the animal, they just raise them then sell them to slaughter houses. Where are the facts for killing farm animals for pleasure? We hunt to stop over population of game animals. Also if you did any research you would get a lot of the same shit that I am spewing.

 

meeplord i meant from the deer or pig etc

 

So you would be fine if I killed a dog wild or purchased so long as I cut the dog's skin off and wear it around town right?

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Go re-read my post idiot. The animals are killed for pleasure - NOT FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE KILLER - for the pleasure of the customer. The killers are just taking the customers job in delegation.

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There is no neccesity to eat meat. Therefore eating meat is done for pleasure rather than neccesity. No facts needed unless you contest my first uncontroversial premise that there is no neccesity to eat meat.

 

The thing is, the person who is eating the cow isn't the one to hold the burden. The person who generally does the killing is by far the most selfless one. As stated before they sacrifice physiological stability. They provide others food, clothing, and many other things.

 

If you genuinely feel the need to do so, I’d be okay dokay with it if you don’t kill it for nothing, meaning you eat it not just because you feel the need to prove a point but you actually want to, and if you do it in a way that respects the dignity of the animal while killing it.

 

All The Extremely Messed Up Stuff PETA Has Ever Done
Peta is shit
Some even act as if they have the higher moral ground(PETA), and are way worse than the people who just live their everyday life, trying to make it to their next pay check. There might be a time where we are all vegetarians, but right now its too expensive, not fully prepared for everyone. A lot of people have to stop being vegetarians because they lose hair and have other problems that products from animals could help cope with.

 

freedom of choice 100% prevents this? biologically this is unhealthy and misguided at best?

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tfw engaging in capitalism by getting a job is "selfless"

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don't move to the southern united states then my fella

 

I stated that we are not prepared for it, we don't have solutions to certain health issues. I've had a friend that had to stop being a vegetarian because she was losing hair. Her doctor suggested to start eating meat again.

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*plays Eco server* God damn capitalism.

 

The fact you think this is relevant discredits you. Peta is irrelevant and bringing them up is off-topic.

 

How is it off-topic? You been acting as if this whole thing been about morality. Then as soon as I bring up the biggest morality group for animals, it is not about morality anymore.

 

It is off topic because it has no impact on the morality of killing animals. Peta could be a neo Nazi group or a wholesome group of soccer moms and it wouldn't determine whether killing cows or dogs ok.

 

But they do? Did you know morals built around teaching and laws.

Well look around, there are plenty of carnivores and omnivores. Nature has taught us that it is okay. Even if it's not the healthiest choice around.

 

So @MeepLord27 , I accept the challenge. I want to avoid a strawman arguent, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're ambiguously laid case is this then: Since people enjoy animals being killed for the purpose of eating them, people must also find pleasure in the death of any other animal since they are also made of meat which can be eaten.

If this is your case @MeepLord27 then it is already disproven because, as @iiwars led their side of the argument with, there is a moral distinction in at least most of Meepcraft player's societies between killing livestock animals for meat and killing other animals (with game currently being a gray area PERFECT to actually debate about) because livestock is killed not to kill the animals but specifically for the food gained by doing so while killing animals such as dogs doesn't provide a food source most of us here would find tasty.

@MeepLord27 , you claim to be against the "sadistic joy you might find in killing any animal", but that isn't the reason livestock are killed nor the reason most people eat meat (I'd instead find it weird if it was someone's reason for eating meat). @riri30 's comment explains this point you tried to wipe away by saying people aren't eating meat solely for survival:

Since there is a common society distinction between livestock meat and other meat (such as from dogs) and the vast majority of people eat meat for the purpose of taste and not for any type pride in dominance or joy in killing. There is then no room here to argue about the morality of killing livestock while framed against animals such as dogs but there still is room to talk about hunting for reasons other than survival and room to talk about whether it is morally correct to kill livestock if viewed from a different point than comparing to killing dogs.

 

Depends on who you ask *cough* *cough*