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Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Aarett, Aug 30, 2014.

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Illegal Immigration

  1. I liek not having a job, #YOLO (#SVUV in Spanish)

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  2. I don't want people taking my job

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  1. Aarett

    Aarett Celebrity Meeper

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    I don't think anyone has made a thread on this yet, so I will. As you probably know, more and more people are hopping the border every day. If they are under 18, they get granted citizenship, vote for Obama to keep their illegal status "legal", and therefore keep the worst president in office since Richard Nixon. Also, anyone accompanying the underaged are allowed stay. Not to mention Juan his brother, and los abuelos who can't take care of themselves, which builds up to a bunch of people from one "anchor baby" (child). Then, they are taking the limited resources and jobs available, which should be filled by legal American citizens, and not illegal immigrants... Darn Canadians...
     
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  2. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    You are an ignorant person to have this viewpoint, and you don't understand the situation. How in the world do Illegal Aliens vote for a President? Obama is the worst president? Should I remind you the last one got us into two decade long wars we never won?

    Why is Nixon a horrible president? He was the one who brought in the Clean Air and Water act, and many other things. What did Nixon do he was so horrible?

    God dang, stop watching Fox news, that crap is horrible for you.

    And Canadians? Is this a joke debate? This is why the debate section is ruined, because of things like this. My god.
     
  3. RuSiaN_PeDoBeaRAppeal

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    Inb4 sanctions on Russia
     
  4. Aarett

    Aarett Celebrity Meeper

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    Lol
     
  5. Erebus45

    Erebus45 Celebrity Meeper

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    I just got done learning about immigration in school. Here are the facts I got from several hand outs
    The size of the unauthorized population stands at just under 12 million. The Pew Research Center estimates that unauthorized immigrants comprised 5.3% of the US labor force in 2010. This is down from 5.5% in 2007. Three fifths of unauthorized immigrants have been in the US for more than a decade. Over half of unauthorized immigrants age 25-64 have a high school diploma or more education. Nearly half of longtime unauthorized immigrant households are homeowners.

    This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. They are taking jobs that Americans don't want! Do you want to pick potatoes in Idaho for minimum wage or less? What about clean hotel rooms for minimum wage or less? Someone has to take these undesired jobs and illegal immigrants are willing to do it for less than minimum wage. This also saves the company money so they can produce more stuff for us.

    I think the best way to go about immigration is to integrate them into American society and make them legal law abiding citizens kind of easily. This way they will have to pay taxes and whatnot and we don't have to spend time and money to deport them back to a country where they might get killed.

    People think that Nixon was the worst president because he was impeached over the Watergate scandal. Also you forgot to mention how he started pulling our troops out of Vietnam.
     
  6. Fangdragon1998

    Fangdragon1998 Queen of the Nubs, La Elite Dragoness, Kæri On!

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    ; -; you beat me to it
    A lot of Americans just think that that kind of work is "beneath them"
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigration-crackdown-impacts-harvests/
    Here's one example of what happened when georgia decided to try to get rid of illegal immigrants.
    They do a lot of grunt work that keeps stuff running.
     
  7. Cookies713

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    The company that built the fence between the USA and Mexico was fined $5 million for using illegal immigrant workers xD
     
  8. RaidByNightOnly

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    If Success was truly measured by Work then Immigrants holding Chainsaws and Weedwackers would rule the Nation.
     
  9. wesurvive2gether

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    Bridge this is perfect
     
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  10. HotAsianBeans

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    Illegal immigration is
    not an issue because of them taking menial level jobs. It is an issue because most illegal immigrants do not pay taxes, but still benefit from tax funded programs.
     
  11. Skaros123

    Skaros123 Otaku Wooden Hoe

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    I think immigration should only be legal if the immigrants can contribute to the new country. Stay long enough to get a job and rent a place to live, etc.

    Btw, it's not just Obama letting these people through... The reason there's so many immigrants is because a jail company is letting them through to contain them. They call the hotels they let them stay in something like 'family detention centers'. Both, republicans and democrats are in on this... The reason they have these is because they company can escape paying taxes if they have 90% occupancy, and the immigrants let that goal be meant. They are saving so much money on taxes by doing this, and Obama is barely involved... You know what this is? Corruption, not on the democrat part, but in both parties who are letting this jail company take advantage of the system.

    By the way, more jobs are taken from companies outsourcing to countries like China and India. American jobs are being taken because republicans don't care about American jobs, they just care about money.
     
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  12. Aarett

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    if a person under 18 gets over the border, they are granted citizenship. Say I'm 17, and get over (before Obama's 2nd term) I can vote when I am 18, and Obama has not rly done anything over border control, so why not vote for him so my family could come too?

    I have no words for this! but I think that this will answer sufficiently:

    I listen to the republican radio stations, Fox News is to liberal for me.

    The Canadians thing was a joke, just to lighten the mood because people seem to get real harsh when they are on debate threads.
     
  13. Skaros123

    Skaros123 Otaku Wooden Hoe

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    I've watched Fox News. They are all conservatives and they say things that benefit conservatives. The reason you think it's too liberal is because they are all idiots. I'm not saying that all conservatives are idiots, but I am saying that Fox News anchors are idiot conservatives.
     
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  14. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Well, given you listen to Republican radio (Assuming Rush Limbaugh) you understandibly only get partial truths, tailored to the message they send. However during any immigration diatribes from these disc jockeys fail to mention than in 2014 alone, Obama is slated to have more deportations than George Bush's entire 8 years in office. Also false is the idea that you get granted automatic citizenship if you cross the border, you don't, and you never have. Additionally, in a scenario where an immigrant might come, and find amnesty, they aren't given U.S citizenship but rather they are given a Green Card which allows them to work, and pay taxes, but they cannot do things such as vote for office.

    The issue is that we're going to have illegals in our country, all major countries do, such as England, France, etc. We have essentially two choices, spending our resources trying to boot them out, which will be a never-ending action. Or we can embrace these illegals, get them into the system so they can benefit from our system, and also contribute to our system in the way of direct taxes.

    If you want to rate a president by how horrible they are, Nixon isn't nearly close to being the worse. As I, and Erebus said, he did quite a lot of good things, despite his idiocy. Namely the Clean Air and Water act, which is something that is a major part of this country today. Additionally he began to scale down the mistake of a war we call Vietnam.

    Also mentioned by others, a large portion of illegal immigrant workers work in an agricultural setting, such as migrant workers etc. These are generally horrible conditions with the heat, and the labor intensity required. Additionally these people generally work for a wage that is not even close to our minimum wage. That being said, I don't know a single American who would be willing to work in these conditions for this pay, so your argument they are taking our jobs is a misnomer. If you don't have a social security card/number, you generally CANNOT take any job which an American would be competing to get.

    The issue I have with the OP, and the attitude given is that this is the foundation of what is wrong with this country. You have millions of Americans watching Fox News, MSNBC, or any other of these psuedo-news networks that they begin believing in some half-whacked ideology, and then they go and vote based on this misinformation. They vote for a president and when nothing gets done they are like omg this president is horrible!!!11!. However the fact remains that the President isn't a king, nor has sweeping powers to fundamentally change the entire country. If people began voting actively for their State Legislature and U.S Legislature, such as your state and federal representative, and senator, you will find that those people are the ones who can fundamentally change this country.

    However currently we're in a system with corrupt corporate bought Senators and Representatives stay in office for years and decades because people couldn't care less about them, and their position, or their role in this country. Let alone do people vote for judges, nor do they understand that even the Judicial system is a highly political entity, where Judges belong to one of the two main parties, and often rule on issues with that very bias at hand.

    The point being, is stop listening to people who tell you what to think on the TV, Radio, Internet and open a history book, and a book on government. Learn how our government actually functions and how it is supposed to function. Only then are you equipped to make an informed decision, and an informed argument. You're original post is essentially "Damn immigrants!" followed by falsities to justify the original statement against immigrants.
     
  15. Aarett

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    I listen to bill o'reilly, and I am taking my second year of US history in school. Just a wild guess, ur a democrat? Also, a good president does not promise things and then not get them done, nor are they stubborn and refuse to change when they know they are in the wrong. Yet again, I am done with this thread cuz I'm sick of arguing. Cya kids
     
  16. Deinen

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    I belong to neither party, I vote for the people who I think bring the most qualitied. The last two elections I voted for Ron Paul. Bill O'Reilly is a blundering idiot, like every other pundit there is, regardless of their political affiliation.

    Did you read what I posted, and do you understand now you can't just hop the border and you get citizenship and you can't vote? The entire point of a debate is to have an argument, what is the point of starting one when you just bail on it?

    Historically, every president has made promises and not kept them. Also please explain how a President can change so much when he has to rely on a Congress to make changes? He can't change it all by himself you know?
     
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    Again, I ask. Why are people talking about politics on a minecraft server forum? One of the reasons I am part of this forum is to get away from politics. This is just annoying.
     
  19. Aarett

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    Mk, no moar debates for me, my attention span is to short, Imma bounce, cya
     
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  20. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Then perhaps you shouldn't be in the debates section? Talking about these things is exactly what this section is for.

    If you don't like it, don't go into this section, there are religious debates here too.
     

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