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Best Posts in Thread: If there is ever a time to lay all the cards down on the table, it is now.

  1. Jwarian

    Jwarian Celebrity Meeper

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    Both of these replies mirror my own views so much. I appreciate the time you took to offer your useful and valid opinions, I can only type so much before I begin to feel I am speaking too much for myself only.

    I only hope that this thread will be left up long enough for more players to chime in. Lest we have some quippy interjection...
     
  2. Viperfan

    Viperfan Celebrity Meeper Staff Member Game Designer

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    If an idea gets hatched, goes into development, and then gets turned down, without even involving the community, wouldn't it be more important to ask for the community input on said idea to see if they like it or not, and then the idea to stop development could come up?


    I never said you could had to magically make something instantly, I meant the community just wants to see you guys are trying to do things, to add new additions or fix things, but it seems like nothing is being done as of now. I'm sure things are being developed and planned to better the server, but the community doesn't see it and so it adds to one of the reasons as to why the community was driven away
     
  3. Jwarian

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    I agree with pretty much everything you said but this point in particular hits home.

    I have in numerous places(Including the OP) pleaded for Clue to deliver us a vision, “a goal and the path to it”. So far? Nothing besides saying he doesn’t believe in timelines.

    Unfortunately, given the events that have transpired since I wrote the post and the lack of any statement close to a vision, or a mission statement, or just “his goals” I become more pessimistic everyday.

    A quote from Clue in this thread:

    “I would like to promise that we are working on listening, we are changing, and we are already working as hard as we possibly can to make things right.”
    65 Days ago.....

    I am sickened by the fact that I see this as virtue signaling, that it reminds me of the government that runs this country. I don’t know how to see this now as anything other than him just lying to us, to me.

    On the topic of “We are working on changing”:

    I find it puzzling that Clue let Mid(a person who has been a staple of the community and who committed themselves for four years) quit at a time when reintegrating staff and the community is probably the MOST IMPORTANT thing. TF? Seriously, why on earth did this happen!?
    Perhaps she had good reason, family or life, but after this long, why wouldn’t she have just taken a break? This scares me. What if the view from inside is so bleak it made her abandon four years of effort?

    I don’t enjoy saying this but I believe providing us a vision is simply beyond Clue’s skillset and I fear he is incapable of change.

    Perhaps he is surrounded by too many people who echo his ideas, perhaps that is how he wants it to be. I hate to think he is cozy in his castle. It’s not who I envision him to be, but all I know is what I can see.

    @CluelessKlutz Sorry for the shade bro but every day I feel more and more let down. Look around, you know what you have to do, it is obvious.
    You have to be the one to lay the foundation for the future, you can’t keep standing by and watching the old foundation erode away.
    Are the voices in the discord really right when they say you just want the server to yourself and your clique?
    Please don’t let that be the case.

    P.S. 65 days and you have yet to acknowledge any of the staff-community relationship issues raised by myself and so many in here.
     
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  5. Jwarian

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    All I can say is I am trying my best to not let bias creep into my desire to see things change, but I remember just as you do. I tip my hat to you good sir.
    “All saints have a past and all sinners have a future.”
    It is refreshing to see an opinion from a player who has in some sense, been a staple of the community. It is clear to me that despite your outlook, you still have a desire to see this server somehow find a way to survive and prosper. After all, you took the time to share your thoughts and you reiterate some simple yet important points.

    I hope you are wrong with the dire picture you paint. However, seeing the topics that were chosen to be acknowledged and whose responses were commented on, I find it difficult to refute some of your conclusions.

    I can’t help but make observations, one being that with the exception of Adrian‘s post, the only people “high staff” specifically addressed in this thread were those whom they are on friendly terms with. Said in other terms: current and former members of Legion/Legend.

    I hate to say it but this appears to exemplify a facet of the favoritism myself and others speak of.
    I don’t like that I see this as: “Who is worth their time.”
     
  6. Epicdude141

    Epicdude141 Celebrity Meeper

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    Nobody said we wanted it like the old meep back. And nobody is "far better" for the server or not. We are all equal players. This "holier than thou" bullshit attitude doesn't get you anywhere. Just because you play on a dead server for a period of time and are a part of a clique doesn't make you better or worse than any other player on this server. You've already mentioned in a previous post that your definition and our definition of toxic are completely different things, that lapse in definition could arguably sum up the major moderation issues of the server. Have you considered that the staff leaned in your favor not because you were a "better player" but because they were all your friends?

    You can't expect to a bunch of people to join back on a server after years and suddenly know this new "state" with all of its rules and nuances and not get frustrated when they get punished for those rules they don't know.

    The server wasn't more "community oriented" than before whatever the hell that means. Maybe for you and your 20 friends it was but for the 80+ that joined the server it sure as hell wasn't. The funny thing is that when we first got on the server it wasn't like we were toxic in anyway, the toxicity didn't start till really like mid to late April, that leaves a lot of time of nothing but good gameplay from us.

    Maybe mature and realize acting like a high school clique on a minecraft server trying to gatekeep it from players is totally pointless and makes you look like a complete tool.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2020