Hire good pvpers to clean up kit or turn kitpvp into an official minigame called elites vs hackers

@Gowlee @SillySilver

Let's face it, kitpvp is the Moss Isle's Canteina of meep because "never has there been such a hive of such retched villainy and scum in the universe". Everyday 50+ hackers seem to get on a skype group and ask each other if one of them has been banned from meep yet, and when one has it's the next Big Winner's turn to get onto meep and hack like hell while the staff are busy with modreqs and reporting the first hacker. (this just happened with multiple witnesses) So today it was up to me and 3-4 other exclusive+ to kill the same 3 hackers with kill aura, range hacks, and fly hacking (that was really fun), over and over and over while the staff were too busy to do anything about it. The hacking has gotten to the point where I could definitively just go to the bottom level of kitpvp spawn, look down the hole, set up a recording program and then leave only to come back 8+ hours later and know that I had caught 90+ people fly hacking and then claiming that they couldn't possibly fly because they don't have ult.

I know the staff is busy and I know they have a bajillion modreqs to file every day while there are the same amount of hackers in kitpvp, but this is just stupid. So instead of wasting staff time, just incentivise players grouping up and beating the hell out of hackers in kitpvp, and record the hacking. This really isn't that hard, 10k to every one that made a distinctive effort into killing the hackers and showing that they hacked, as was shown in a video/s. This gives a decently sized incentive to the players that help take down the hackers, yet small enough that it's not detrimental to the eco.


@Deinen *deinen voice* Think about it in a business perspective, people log onto meep, go into kitpvp, then find out that there are 3+ hackers in it at any given time and the staff is simply too busy to record the hackers which only get a 2 hr+ ban, and upon seeing this they believe that the server is simply too over run with hackers to the point where there is absolutely no point in going here again. But banning hackers doesn't get them to donate to us later on.

*my voice* Let me stop you right there, this is the equivalent of you not banning someone for adds as they might use the money they get from new players on their server to buy a new rank for themselves on meep. And in NO way is giving someone a 2+ hr ban for hacking in kitpvp while they're offline (as they got bored of hacking 10 seconds or had to sleep) going to prevent someone from removing any of the following:
Kill aura
auto clicker (aka inhumanly fast clicking which is really rampant)
gattling gun bows
range hacking
fly/tp hacking (tping looks as fast as an ender pearl but minus the ender pearl part)
aimbot
and my favorite sign of hacking, anti-KB


Or instead of trying to remove the hackers via going through tons of videos and banning the idiots (which is very hard to do), we instead turn kitpvp into Hackers vs elites, it's very simple, imagine towny wars (everyone wanted that already) but instead of real towns there are pre made towns that everyone fights in, with two sides. It's very simple, everyone that plays that's elite+ gets the elite kit (as it's the only kit that stands a chance against said hackers), and no other equipment, and everyone that's below that rank gets a random crap citizen kit and they are all automatically given kill aura, fly, a bow that shoots 50+ arrows in .3 seconds and never breaks, and infinite ender pearls by the server.

Now to make things more fair for everyone that's not an elite, they get to spawn right in front of a frowny face made out of wool blocks that says "you're a meanie for hacking, go away" and gives them 5k meebles, before they fly to the elite side of the map. Now the elite side of the map has some distinctive tactical advantages over the hacker side of the map, it includes but is not limited to:
An instant spawning and detonating tnt block that spawns inside every elite player at the push of a button
withers that only attack elites
ghasts that shoot fire balls with power 8 randomly over the entire map
And finally, an entire floor made of sand right above the void that falls at the flick of a miss aimed sword attack.



I respect the staff etc, most of my meep friends are mod+ on here, but for the love of Arceus this stupid amount of hacking has to be dealt with, I don't care if kitpvp reboots every time someone flies just to ban the person, they must get banned! The hackers know they can get away with it because it seems like everyone and their cousin knows that you can get away with hacking in kitpvp on meep, and for an example of this, I have seen an amazingly obvious hacker go from just kill aura to using fly and speed hacks....and they are not a premium. Do you know how they got to be a premium? It's because they used the meebles FROM GETTING AWAY WITH HACKING FOR 6+ MONTHS TO BUY IT. And the problem is is that this keeps happening over and over and over and barely anything is being done about it.
People complain about the amount of players that @SillySilver reports for hacking, but remember this, if I had recording software I would be making 80x the reports every day and I barely go into kitpvp anymore.


I'll admit this did indeed use to be fun, once every hour a hacker would appear in kitpvp with kill aura and I would go in with the elite kit and snipe their behind crapless, until they left out of rage over them trying to use a sword in a bow fight, but now, this is officially out of control and it is just simply stupid to keep this cycle of endless hacking on and on forever, with no way for even a group of 3+elites to stand a chance against just 2 hackers with fly, speed hacks, and kill aura. So please just make this stop!

 

Oh and don't forget when having the exclusive kit, pressing 5 and the right mouse button to drop a pot is macroing according to _Zerathul_


gg

 

This is a lot of writing so I havent actualy read it But by the general vibe I see you wanna get rid of hackers.
The only reason there are soo many is because Meep took away the AntiCheat in KitPvP to make the hit detection better.
So as I said in another post, Its either Good PvP and Hackers, Or bad PvP and no hackers.
Id much raher have the first one.

 

Tbh, I see no difference pvp wise. I see a lot more hackers though.
I'd prefer to know that I am able to kill a hacker no matter what. I like to be able to use the elite bow as my hacker killing weapon but with speed hacks and fly hacks it's pretty damn hard.

 

Are you raging? but w/e Get rid of the hackers please!

 

anyone can macro on this server and get away with it lol.

 

I think part of the problem lies with the horrible imbalance of the kits them selves. (It pretty much drives them to cheat)

If you were to for example, compare the Elite/Supp/Ult kits to what drifters get.

Its like expecting Yamcha with two broken legs to be able to beat a SSJ4 Goku.

Perhaps if there was a better balance in Kit there would be less need to hack.

Take Halo for example. Its quite balanced. Every drifter gets one of the best weapons in Halo right away. And you pretty much never see cheaters there because you dont need to. You get somethign decent that can compete with any weapon on the board. Including the Rocket Launcher.

Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the way the kits are set up.

 

lel wut. Your saying we should get rid of kitpvp and make it some weird elite sniping crap? -1. Onis is atm working on a new anticheat.

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btw "good pvpers" @legendcaleb @Iatemyfriends @Cherrykit kit

 

Two choices,

-get anticheat and crap up pvp and make it unplayable
-deal with it

 

The hackers are annoying but still this would pretty much be encouraging them...

 

@SuperVladimir @Cleaves510 @Killer2themx

 

You do realize that the entire hackers vs elite thing was meant to be read in dead pan sarcasm, right? I was doing that because that's honestly what they could turn kitpvp into now and have it make no difference what so ever in terms of actually dealing with the hackers.

Currently "this weird sniping crap" is the only way for anyone that's not a staff member to even try to stand a chance against the hackers.

I do agree with you a bit here, as I can stand the elite kit getting nerfed a tiny bit (power 3 is fine on the bow), but only after someone deals with the damn hackers. We're also encouraging the hackers to hack more when all every cit that gets on to kitpvp sees is 2-3 citizens hacking like hell and proceeding to beat the crap out of every donator that's not an ult and get away with it due to 1 no one being able to record them and 2 seeing the most stupid excuses I have ever seen for when they get called out on hacking. Let me quote some of my favorite excuses as an example. "I'm on minechat I swear" (I think I'll buy the full version of it now just to see if it gives me the gattling gun mod) "I don't even know you could hack in minecraft" and my favorite one that I can remember at the time "LOL ban me then, please let's see you do it".


I brought up hiring very good pvpers to at least beat the crap out of the hackers in game because (I can't remember who posted it) once posted something about how when the old /warp alpha/beta came out they hired wil1111am to prevent people from killing each other as the spawn was pvp enabled, and I figure we could try something like that again, but with killing hackers instead.


At this point just make a new staff rank that only has powers for kitpvp for the good people that go in there a lot and see tons of hackers, but don't want to be staff otherwise @SillySilver @Gowlee if that's the only thing that will remove the hackers then I will gladly take the chance that they could aboose their powers in towny etc if it will mean just one thing, the hackers in kitpvp get their behinds banned.

 

what you are saying/planning is to make kitpvp 100% elite kits? Please. That idea sounds prettty dumb.

 

I always have Bandicam running to record gameplay. Be it to catch the accidental epic moment. Or to catch people being stupid red handed. Or to prove my self innocent should some ever accuse me of cheating in Halo.

But if there was only some way that I could just spectate the kitpvp. I could easily get good footage on these cheaters.

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Notice how I call them "cheaters".

Thats all they deserve. Theyre not hackers. Theyre just some kid who downloaded something off of google.

Calling them hackers is like calling the guy flipping burgers at Mc Donalds a Master Chef.

 

Be nice to the people at mc donalds, they get paid crap get treated like crap and are so easily replaceable (due to the small menial job they're trained to do) it's sad.

Any way..

No, what I'm saying is that the only way to kill the hackers IG is via a group of 3-5 elite kids or 2-3 ult kits, as no other group of kits will pretty much ever kill 1 download looser consistently.

 

Idk when i see a fly hacker i just get a bow and shoot them at where they touch down to attack someone its not that hard really

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 22, 2015, Original Post Date: Feb 22, 2015 ---

I think we need to do something about hackers though recording and posting to forums takes days while the hacker is wrecking havoc in kit. It doesn't solve anything other than making them not come back after their "adventures". The problem of hackers still remains in kit which is why we need a kick for suspicious movement I.E a player's Y: level increasing rapidly (not decreasing as people jump from the kit spawn) and movement faster than speed 1 since those potions are available

 

I have no idea where you are getting your statistics, Empo, but they are either just wrong or grossly over exaggerated.

This is already done. I don't think people should be paid to report hackers, because most people care enough about the server and about having fun in kitpvp that they do it anyways.

Furthermore, why the hell are you talking about two hour bans? I'm sorry, but a hacker has never been banned for anything less than seven days, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

As for 80 or 90 hackers a day, gimme a break. The most I've banned in one day is thirteen, and half of those were player reports from at least a day ago. The most I've personally ever seen banned in one day is 19, if I remember correctly.

The idea that you are saying 60-70 hackers get away with it every day is just silly.

 

And don'y forget about the part where one hacker can be caught at a time, via staff, then you have to wait one hr + for them to get banned as the evidence is looked over and that staff member is occupied for that 1 hr + sending the video and is unable to record the 2+ hackers that have just appeared....kitpvp hacking is like Hydra attack people in minecraft, you take one down and 2 more + appear to take their place.

 

While I agree that the statistics are exagerated. I have to say, the amount of times in a day I see the message "Hacker in kitpvp" on /g. All I can think at this point is, what else is new.

That said, I can see things from your point too. Its a lot of work making sure that these people really are cheating. Take the time Cleaves was reported for cheating for example.

Apparently a lot of testing was done on that.

I think the problem needs to be more addressed at a fundamental level. "i.e. Kit balancing."

 

I would like to see a mature player who actively participates in kitpvp to have a short length ban (a few hours only) so they at least can keep hackers out of kit until a mod can perm them. For example say blg was a kitpvp "watcher" and saw a guy fly hacking he could temp ban with a specific reason not just "kitpvp hacks" but "insane bow spam" or "fly hacks".