Marijuana Legalize?

Okay, well to be fair, epik made a good point. I never thought of it as a way to destress you while driving. I meant when people are faded as hell and they can barely walk.

Simply you do not have experience with drugs. You were most likely and still are very sheltered and don't understand where people are coming from when they say they love marijuana. Thing is, there is a difference from knowing and understanding. I know I will get high if I smoke weed, and so do you. But you don't UNDERSTAND what getting high is like, I DO, and so do a lot of people. You assume weed is just bad for you, but I ask you this, why would people smoke it if it didn't make them feel good?

I'm not saying you have to try weed, but if you are really going to argue this, you need to have some understanding.

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Brilliantly said.

 

To start, I was not sheltered as a matter of fact I know many people in my family who smoke marijuana and other illegal drugs. I see what it does to them and I know its not good for you. They are so different when they smoke (which is all day ever day) and they act horrible.
Why do people drink? Because they like to be buzzed.
Why do people smoke? They like to be high.
It doesn't matter how it makes them feel, its how they react to it. Smoking does not improve your driving. No matter what you say I will not change my mind, you have a better chance at convincing a stump that smoking should be legalize then you do me. The ONLY way you will convince me that smoking should be legalized (besides medically, which i am 100% for) is if America stops being a welfare state.

 

While it is nice that you have strong convictions, I urge you (and anyone else in debate) to leave room for being convinced and changing your mind. Is it not the point of debate to convince the other side and try to challenge their and, in a way, your own convictions? And if you're not keeping at least a bit of an open mind, why should the other side?

 

Awesome least I don't have to waste my time with willful ignorance. You can't even say its not willful ignorance because

You're entitled to that, just don't expect anyone with a decent education level to even think about what you have to say. No one wishes to discuss against willful ignorance. Its just biased, unsubstantiated claims coming from a person with an open mouth and closed ears.

To anyone who disagrees with weed legalization and isn't willfully ignorant, would be dope to hear what you have to say. Before, I stated that I don't see the practicality behind keep it illegal, would be cool if the next person to disagree addressed that.

 

Yes, i'm uneducated because I do not agree with you. I get that a lot from liberals. I actually find it funny when Liberals call me names and get offended at what I say. However, I kept an open mind to many topics, this is not one of them.

Watch this, (yes I know Ann Coulter again, but god she's the best) If you can manage to get past their "interruption" debate and actually pay attention to what she says, then you will see where I am coming from. btw when she means alcohol is good for you she means like a glass of red wine. Not an entire bottle of rum or a 24 pack of beer.

 

so.. take a hit.. its the same as a glass/sip of wine.
An entire bottle of rum or 24 pack of beer would get you drunk like an entire joint would get you high -- it's moderation.
Her definition of pothead is the equivalent of a drunk.

 

How many people do you know that take "just 1 hit" off of a joint? That 1 hit does more to you then that 1 glass of wine. As she said, I can have a few drinks before going on TV and ill be just fine, yet her friends who smoke before doing any type of work cant do the job. I have an alcoholic uncle and a pot head cousin. My Uncle gets more work done then my cousin when they are drunk/high. Now as far as driving, that is a NEVER when smoking/drinking. Alcohol does not effect your body like a joint does.

 

Last post on this thread in response to you because this is going nowhere. You don't have to agree with me. I have welcome people to disagree with me multiple times in this thread. You are willfully ignorant because you said you arent going to change your mind in the face of evidence. It is your own words. What do you want me to call that? Call it name calling if it makes you feel better, but that is the definition of ignorance and of stubbornness. I can grab a dictionary and paint you a picture if it helps.

I am in no way offended by what you say because what you say is garbage. Your sources are garbage, your claims are unsubstantiated. You argue the same way on every thread. "Make Claim" "tell others to look up the evidence" "provide subpar evidence that is shaky or unproven or an opinion puff piece", "say you feel very strong on the matter" "say theres no amount of convincing that could be done to you". I don't know what you want at this point. Apparantly independant research from acclaimed research centers lose to opinion pieces on fox news. I'm simply stating a fact. You cannot be an intellectual or even educated and then turn around and say

Because that is not having a real open mind. At any rate, I'm done because you said you cannot be convinced because you wish to remain willfully ignorant so that is the end of it.


Side note: I meet Ann Coulter every year at the same house party every year in Manhattan. Shook her hand on the elevator ride up to the apartment. Not completely awful in person.

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You are correct. Alcohol is far worse on the body and more well documented than weed.

 

@epick8 It is not a matter of me being ignorant. It is the fact that America is a welfare state and as far as me keeping an open mind to it. As the Ann Coulter said, when something happens Americans pay for it. Food, hospital, housing etc etc. Im not saying all pot smokers live on government assistance but if you made it legal the amount of people that would, would rise. You cant work right when you are high. Its a fact.

If you have actually met Ann Coulter which I would believe but again idk you irl so if you did or didn't I have no clue. However, I am extremely jealous of you for that. She is my favorite person when it comes to politics (with the exception of Donald Trump himself) I actually do not live too far from Ann's house but I don't think she would appreciate me just showing up to it sooo ill keep my distance.

 

Let's start with the first argument:

1. There are worse legal things: Sure, there are things such as alcohol which can directly kill people, and are such much more dangerous. This does not mean people should be given legal use of another mind altering substance.

Great, now let's get a little quicker. Here are arguments presented and my arguments against these points.

2. Marijuana doesn't kill people: This is true. The problem's from marijuana are not direct death but being a gateway drug and altering minds, creating a demand much like the cigarett market.

3. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug: How is it not!? Saying people do drugs only from illegality is dumb. It increases from the idea of being illegal, but is not the only reason. Here's a thought experiment: is it illegal to overdose on medicine? The answer is no, but people still intentionally do so for a high.

4. Marijuana isn't bad if smartly used: The main argument presented here is that people can choose to overdose on medicine. Medicinal drugs are less addictive, and only become so if used outside of safe boundaries. Marijuana creates a high, which means it also affects how someone's brain works. Someone who is addicted has had their brain altered, which is what makes something addicting. If someone uses marijuana enough times, it quickly become addicting. The person also builds resistance and needs more of the drug to get the same effect as before. Eventually, marijuana no longer is powerful enough to give them the desired high, so they have to switch to a stronger, more dangerous drug.

5. Legalizing marijuana reduces usage: Let's start with marketing. Why do e-cigarettes and hard lemonades exist? The answer is to attract young people in. Companies who creat brain altering drugs know that their revenue source is getting people to use their products, and the younger crowd is most likely going to try them, as they're least likely to think it through. These systems of getting the young work, as cigarette businesses and alcohol businesses still exist. Both are legal, but the usage only drops from laws against the substances.

6. Legalizing marijuana stops drug dealers: It stop drug dealers from selling marijuana, but drug dealers still would be able to sell harder drugs as marijuana is a gateway drug.

This debate sounds like marijuana vs. death, but it really is a question of should the country tell it's citizens that marijuana will eventually kill them through secondary means after ruining their lives, or should the government pretend that marijuana's fine by only citing direct evidence.

 

The Real Gateway Drug is 100% Legal

 

False for me because I smoke everyday & have for a good 6 months and I still get d00kie high every single time & I don't think it's a gateway drug unless your friends do other drugs around you because then you're gonna want to try them too if your friends have a good time from it(4am and tired sorry if that makes no sense)

 

First, you can't overdose on marijuana, there are other health negatives, but you can't overdose.
Second, the guy (@WeAreNumberUno ) did a pretty good job of saying why marijuana isn't a gateway drug.

 

I can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE. One hit won't do anything. Usually, even smoking a joint for your first time won't get high. You usually don't get high your first time. Try that one hit, then next time you do it, you'll get high if you smoke more. But one hit is nothing... and honestly what do you think will happen if you get high once? Are you admitting it is probably a ton of fun and you'll want to do it more? With that in mind, then look at the health risks. Very few.

 

1.) I never said 1 hit would do something bad to you?
2) It has nothing to do with getting high once, you make it legal and trust me people are going to smoke and get high MORE THEN ONCE! They don't just smoke to smoke, they smoke to get high. They'll smoke more then once. On top of the people who already do it illegally.
3.) No. I am not admitting it is fun. I'm against it so why would I think it's fun?
4.) When you are high, you can't do work. You can't perform daily functions. Idc if it causes cancer. Cigarettes cause cancer. I care about what it does to you NOW not in the future.

 

I function pretty well :/

 

@Blue_marlin98 Do you think people turn into brain dead vegetables when they get high from marijuana? You can be high and still function and get jobs done. I know many high functioning pot smokers that aren't burdens to society.

 

This post explains alot

 

I am a brain dead vegetable regardless.

 

I was confusing and will clarify: overdosing on medicine is it get a high and using marijuana creates a high. People still use something which effects their minds primarily for that reason, not just it's illegal.

That's an interesting statement. The thing is, a person gets used to their best recent point. If it's been perfect weather for a week, I'll notice more when the weather turns foul. This same phenomenon occurs with drugs such as alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana.sure you can rely on one and stop, but the amount needed to receive the same high increases as the body builds tolerance and becomes used to it. Gateway drugs are wouldn't be gateway drugs without this tolerance in the body. Other drugs are often used later because they become an easier alternative to a large high compared to the harder use of a large amounts of the other drug for a partial high.