Skyblock Reset

The only negatives I see are the people that have dedicated a lot of time into their island and the ones who have spawners. It is impossible for new Island players to get near the top since they have spawners and is one of the main reasons why I have not bothered with skyblock.

If we want to deny this the only solution I have really is to make spawners purchasable again so that the damage already done can be amplified but that way everyone can AFK at their spawners to catch up to the top. If you want to argue ''you can get spawners and items in the crate'' and how many people have won them exactly? If left how it is, it's still unfair for all players except the top few that was able to buy spawners at the time and if spawners are just taken out the top are still miles ahead of the rest who can only dream of getting close. The damage has been done and has lasted ever since the ''fix''.

 

+1

 

+1 but only world data should be deleted and user data should be kept

 

Indeed, we did make a mistake in adding spawners and only a selected few obtained them. I posted this on suggestions so I don't need to look for it when we go over them in a meeting and see what the players opinions are incase it ever was to happen and have a lot of player getting rowdy.

 

-1.
How did players get the spawners in the first place?
The spawners were 200k skybucks, which as it was before, was an astronomical price. The people who did buy one or several spawners had to work their butt off completing every possible challenge, and selling all their things to get it. And it would be reset only because new players, who usually are lazy and do not complete challenges because usually rich people who do have spawners (I gave out 1.7 mil skybucks in the past 4 months) give them money to help them out?
The spawners are the fruit of hard work and effort, people who weren’t ready for the labor didn’t get them. A spawner wasn’t one day of work, we’re talking weeks.
It’s like if you’ve created a town, really big like Legend because you started before everyone else, and once you’ve reached your apogee, someone tells you it will be reset because a segregation is being made, the bigger town get richer and richer because all new player join them and it attracts many players, and the little towns get poorer and poorer because no one joins them. Of course, the new towns will love it, because they’ll have a shot, but they put in much less effort than the big ones have.
The only solution I see would be to add back spawners, but not iron golems, just mob spawners, from which you could sell loot for a smaller price.

 

This reference couldn't be any further away to this suggestion possible, please think long and hard about what you just said. Smaller towns always have a chance to become one of the largest, it is a slow and steady process and with this statement there is nothing temporarily added to give a selected few an advantage over others in regards to increasing town size.

Now that is chump change to the top islands, will we set the spawner price based on everyone else or the top few islands so the top can still dominate with no chance of catching up?

The top few islands are where they are from afking at farms are they not? Even if the spawners are added back without iron golem farms should all iron golem owners hand staff their spawners so it is fair for all?

I rather have a problem fixed instead of ignoring it, it only came to my attention when I became interested in starting. As I see with your suggestion of re adding spawners except for iron golems skyblock is a contest of who can AFK the longest and at the end of the day the top islands are sitting on an extraordinary amount of iron platforms made from their previously owned spawners.

Even if I was the top island I'd still carry the same view because I see things for as they are just like with Gamma, I owned the largest town and had a stupid amount of meebles but did not care less about the reset because I knew the eco and world was atrocious even though I dedicated a tonne of time, which is exactly how skyblock is now, one big pile of dung.

 

-1 This would hurt the players that play sky block, just how the reset of EULA murdered the server

 

the server was pretty much dead before that

 

My island is the top island and it came from a lot of hard work, not afking. Yes there is prob a few that do. The spawners were in the shop for much longer than a few days, and were then shifted to the crates. Yes, if you are lucky you can get a spawner for just logging in a getting a key. Those that bought them worked long and hard to raise the money for them.
My island has 8 or 9 full layers with things on it, that was not done by spawners, that was done by a lot of hours work.
Anyone that worked hard enough when the spawners were in the shop could've bought them.
I was probably the last to get any of them. And no I don't have heaps, as many would think, as it took a long time to save up for them.
The exact same way as it is to save up for the cobble gen extras, yet noone is complaining about that.
The solution is not resetting skyblock, as the people that have them have worked extremely hard for them.
I know the main one complaining about these even sold some of his to buy a rank.
If they were added back in the shop for a high price, would then there be complaints as to the richer people could buy more?
All the spawners that were available in the shop are now in the crate that you have a chance to win for logging in.
As goes in any world, changes are made. We have added in more things that can be sold to the shop.
We have had a lot of players join Meep just because they heard about the skyblock and have loved it.
Yes it is a totally different eco to towny.
Skyblock is supposed to be a challenge, it's totally different to towny. And yes we added a few fun and exclusive items in. Like the crazy enchant books, which most players liked as it was something different.
We will take all suggestions into consideration though.

 

In what town, do some elite towns have access to items that break the whole economy, and any player that didn’t get the item in time will be disadvantaged forever?

In the case of skyblock, if you didn’t get a spawner during the week they were being sold, you can NEVER surpass anyone remotely active with iron golem spawners. Riri, you look at the fact you won’t have this massive, unfair advantage over other players because you worked hard for a week. Imagine working for the next few years, and not being able to surpass you because of the impossibility of acquiring iron golem spawners like some of the top islands have. The issue is not players owning the spawners, the issue is the bull crap method that this update was implemented with. I mean no personal offense to those involved in implementing these changes, but skyblock at this point is ruined for anyone without iron golem spawners.

I’m a huge +1 for the suggestion, kling and I already talked about this in game quite a bit; and he put it in the best way possible: We can either reset at this point, or further the damage and allow spawners to be sold again. But we CANNOT continue to allow this absurd gap between who can win skyblock, and who cannot.



Nobody has addressed it, but for discussion purposes; could a starting bonus for those in the is top and those that owned iron golem spawners, be awarded so that players that put effort into getting spawners can have some kind of payment for their aggravation at a reset?

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What players are playing skyblock? I haven’t seen many players in the world in the last two weeks, and our player count has been at a high.

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How come islands like Scheck__ or mine got passed up in less than a week of this update, when both of those islands have been worked on for months (I would know, I helped). This update for the spawners allowed for people to get iron golem spawners, farm the crap out of them for a week while still getting more, then spamming iron blocks for levels. Not only spawners, we added fly boots so that people don’t have to worry about falling off their island, there is no challenge.

So, we allow spawners to be in the shop for a few days. People work hard to earn one, then grind it out until they get two, and so on until they have the amount of spawners they desire. How is a player supposed to catch up to someone with 4+ iron golem spawners, when the chance of earning a spawner in a crate is astronomically low, and the chances of getting an iron golem spawner is even lower than that. Having the chance to win a spawner, is not going to justify how the server stopped selling spawners after so many people already are taking advantage of them, and the economy was remade around them.

As I said already in one of these replies, earning a second iron golem spawner was a matter of grinding out the first iron golem spawner. If we’re going to side with people who worked hard, then why would The is top drastically change in one week, when it hadn’t drastically changed in the last year skyblock has been here, ever. People worked hard for a short period of time, and got a reward. That is perfectly okay. If I worked ten times as hard, for ten times as long as the people did to buy their iron golem spawners, where would I be? I wouldn’t have one iron golem spawner, because the odds are completely against anybody getting them.

And what about the players that just joined, or couldn’t play when the spawners were in shop? This suggests that new players missed the opportunity, so now they can’t reap any rewards? This update disadvantages anyone without iron golem spawners, and adding them for a short period of time then removing the sale of them, is why this is an issue.

Want to know why no one complains about the cobble gen extras? Because everybody can get them. I argue against the unfair bits, and everyone has equal opportunity to get a cobble gen, so there is the reasoning.

What is the solution? I offered up mine in a different suggestion that you haven’t addressed (that I’ve seen yet, sorry if you have already replied).

Feel free to @ me next time. I sold my iron golem spawners for a towny tank. I helped the server, and I knew I wouldn’t enjoy how the changes to skyblock were made.

Feel free to read my suggestion, this is sort of addressed. But I still believe at this point that a reset would be the best option.

Again, the odds are so terrible that no one can catch up.

Nothing can compare to the economic dominance gained by iron golem spawners. To be able to make the amount of profit iron ingots give, while only needing to afk, leaves no other route that could be even close to as prosperous as the iron golem spawners.

You’re right, skyblock is fun, for all players. But the implementation of this update was completely wrong. When we discussed an op skyblock while I was staff, I suggested it be a second world. That wasn’t just because the normal skyblock is fun. Transitioning into a new style of play is hard, and we see how the transition was too much, because atm skyblock just isn’t quite right.

Explain the challenge of skyblock to me? Half the challenge before his update was managing to not fall off your island, and fly boots removed that. Another challenge was gaining minerals such as iron or gold from mobs. But spawners removed that. Another challenge was making money, but the current challenge system ruined that.

Op skyblock is not challenging. It is meant to be a grinding sort of game. Pick whether you want this skyblock to be hardcore, or overpowered, and stick to that decision. You need to pick a mindset for the world, because this is not challenging in the faintest.

the custom enchants were a brilliant addition, good work.


I apologize because I know everyone will likely mistake my passion about skyblock as inflammatory towards Roxy. I mean you no offense, this is my opinion, please don’t take it as a spark to a flame war.

 

I could say something but at the same time i don't want to get yelled at even tho its true xddd

But i'd like to see something for players who have spawners to get something if sky block is reset.

In my case/defense, i had to spend towns money just for one sky block spawner, 200k each, which, in skyjack currency, would equal about 2 mil each spawner.

Emperormeznik and I worked, even split some money to just getting spawners, and i had to sell ranks to earn the amount of money for just 4 iron golem spawners.

I'm down for a reset, which is what I wanted way back then until a few people saw that it wasn't needed even tho it was seeing how players who don't understand towny at all head to something they're familiar with, that being sky block. But now I'd just like something in return for wasting time and effort into getting spawners. Or add more things to shop to sell. Even though its said that theres stuff in sbshop that you can sell, it'd be nice to add more such as wheat (which is a bit hard to grow) and cactus (which can be sold for a cheap amount just like in /warp farming). But my idea wasn't accepted lol so gl with this, probably could get accepted since lord is poop like some people xddddd

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(To add to Klings point about spawners, theres a way to make a iron golem generator using villagers, but even with thats its nearly impossible because 1. the only current way to get villagers is through a zombie villager which has only a 5% chance of spawning and takes ages and can get mixed up with all other mobs in your mob grinder, and 2. villagers need to be as far away from other mobs to not despawn, and to add to this point, you need to stay with the zombie villager and have the potion and gold apple with you so that it doesn't despawn when you leave cause it does that. And to finalize that point, you need 2 villagers so they can breed and its a pain getting 2)

 

It appears to me that resetting sky block is not the solution. Players have put a lot of time into growing and expanding islands. The problem which needs solving is how to nerf the abilities of iron golem spawner down so new players can reach the top without being barred by the near impossibility of getting such a spawner OR we need to make such spawner slightly easier to get. It should be remembered that with spawner or not, it was difficult and took work for those who have spawner to buy them while at the same time it is frustrating to feel permenantly left behind from missing the opportunity to buy spawner.

Resetting only helps those who don't have spawner and it hurts everyone who has put good time and effort into sky block.

@smkorpi asked for solutions. Not going into specifics to make this plausible, but one solution no spawner owner would particularly like would be to force sell all current spawners. Money is returned so all is just and equal.

Personally, I don't know the specifics within sky block enough to offer better solutions, but what I do know is that there are better solutions than resetting sky block and since the addition of buying spawners was done in a failed way, the correct solution, if truly needed, will annoy everyone whether they bought spawners before or not.

 

Yall so salty lol

 

Ok I realise that some of you are unhappy that some people have spawners. They were definitely in the shop for longer and the shop was not remade around the spawners. Yes there has been changes that some of you are not happy with. There are a lot of new players that were very happy with our skyblock additions. We will take all suggestions into consideration.

You know as being a staff member previously, that suggestions are gone over in a meeting. You need to be patient.
We are not resetting skyblock, yes there may have been mistakes made, and were fixed as much as we thought necessary. Just like in life. None of us are perfect, everyone makes mistakes (as in not everyone will be happy).

 

Since there is 0 possibility of skyblock being reset, could someone who is amongst the top 3 Islands please tell me what are the odds of someone getting to the same level as yourself without these super rare to win iron golem spawners and how long would it take realistically? @DarkKnight49x @NinjaRoxy @riri30

Because I'm not a skyblock expert and in my eyes as a new player it's near inpossible since I do not have the tools you possess to increase my island level.

 

My island is huge, I have played many hours for months. I have around 8-9 levels all at 100 x 100. If you use stone brick it gives more levels, also I have a lot of grass which was purchased as dirt slowly, not only by me but others on my island.
I bought the iron gen update first then saved up for the higher updates. There is a lot of mining to be done. You can upgrade your cobble gen to bigger ones as you go. Thats what i did.
I havent been in the nether much as I always die when I go in there.
There is really no rush to be the top island. Just build levels, then add to them as you like.
Well thats my opinion as I hate heights and even on skyblock was scary to me. As a few will say, I used to shift around everywhere. Scared to fall off.
It starts off slow, but gets easier as you get further along.
Make a big dirt area to turn into grass. Then animals will spawn.
I usually always have stone brick as the starting level and then top that with dirt and a few grass to all turn to grass. Use a lot of torches so you dont get crazy mobs to kill you.
All diamonds I have are laid out neatly on my island that also helps with levels.
Ive had islands at 10k level without spawners. So it just depends how you play it.

 

Perhaps a solution would be to make the last challenge of all gives a spawner as a reward. One wouldn’t make everything speed up incredibly, but it would allow players to expand their island and earning money aswell as having something to do when their done woth challenges.

 

@NinjaRoxy @riri30
I should have asked that differently for a hopefully straight forward answer.
Currently is Skyblock fair for all players, it is a yes or no question?