President Trump

Yeah, you made the claim Trump will do better than Obama.

Show some evidence your claim has any credibility. What will he do better? What about all his absolute failures up until this point?

 

Dein also make sure his evidence has credibility otherwise he will start quoting the onion.

 

Onion still has more journalistic integrity than Brietbart or InfoWars.

 

Breitbart isn't nearly as bad as MSM makes it out to be. They're about on par with Salon or some of The Young Turks stuff.

 

Eh...

I'd consider Salon and especially TTY bottom of the barrel as well.

 

Angela wry, the executive director of the congressional black caucus, called for the removal of George Washington statues on CNN. What is the limiting principal in taking down historical monuments?

 

See I'm not really a big fan of saying being a Nazi must be illegal. Sure, their actions and their thoughts are deplorable. However they aren't really making any imminent threats to violence ("I'm going to kill all non-white people tomorrow, in the near future, etc." is not the same as "I wish all non-white people were dead" or things like that). And besides, the swastika is constitutionally protected--see National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 1977.

So no, being a Nazi shouldn't be illegal. Now if Nazis or Nazi groups start harassing or threatening other people, then sure arrest them.

It's a free speech issue here. I hate Nazis, and if you ask me I'd like to just get rid of them and their terrible thoughts. But to do that is unconstitutional.

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"Enemies of the state" (By the way, that's the exact term Hitler used to describe everyone he killed) is a really tricky one. Remember the Red Scare, where people were literally purged from public life (politics, entertainment, etc.) and in some cases prosecuted by the government because people branded them a Communist? We don't want to repeat something like that. And even leading up to the outbreak of WWII, the German Bund was an organization that was legal in the US--it only was shut down because its leader was convicted of tax fraud.

And besides, the KKK was responsible for the lynchings of many American citizens in the past. Why is it okay to glorify and join the KKK if you want to be racist?

Nothing happened if you voiced your support for the Fidel Castro, the USSR, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, or anybody we were at war with in the past. And it's not even illegal to support, even idolize the actions of ISIS, so long as you're not directly threatening violence. Why does that change with Nazism?

It's society's job to make Nazism and all the despicable values it stands for unacceptable. It's not the government's job--the government's job is to prevent direct harm to its citizens.

 

You know, I as much as I despise Nazism, I'm fascinated by the fact that some people have grown up hearing the facts but advocate nonetheless. Oppressed groups usually sit tight and wait for a shimmer of hope, struggling to survive. This is the Jews, the Irish, the African Americans, the Japanese (after Pearl Harbor) and the Muslims now. These spoiled white supremacist assholes, on the other hand, are pulling the victim card before their rights are even taken away. Before they get massacred by their own country. Some idiots are spreading the idea that students are accepted to college just because "diversity," and that people are losing their jobs to the Mexicans. This s simply being spoiled and hateful.

As for what Deinen said: I agree to an extent? People can join whatever organization they want. It's just a gathering of the weak, pitiful, uncivilized haters. It's a gathering of those no-lifes in high school who, at a predominantly white school, would toss slurs at black kids. It's those who call Muslims terrorists without bothering about the statistics or the concept of extremism (which exists in almost every ideology). This is the gathering of those manchildren who claim to love history but have no idea what the encompasses whatsoever. They're just weak and pitiful.

 

None of those groups listed are currently and consistently advocating for violent means to achieve a goal. Additionally none of those groups were directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in a direct response to them attempting to take over the world and extermine all others that were not their "genetic" identical.

 

White people having a racial identity is not accepted in the current culture. Every other easily identifiable religious, ethnic, or racial group gets identity politics. The Alt Right's idea of being oppressed stems from that entirely. The Alt Right thinks race is integral to culture, so an attempt to destroy their culture (and the idea of white culture has been destroyed) is an attempt to destroy their race. Not defending the Alt Right, just explaining.

Affirmative action can lead to people getting accepted just because of "diversity". Further than that their is undeniable high level discrimination against whites in the hiring practices of tons of big companies. The BBC literally has jobs that you can only apply for if you're an "ethnic minority".

Any Nazis who are consistently advocating for violence are already doing something illegal.

 

Nazi-ism itself is the constitent advocation of violence. Look at what the Nazi's did and it stands to reason that those who associate themselves with Nazis condone and agree with the violence and atrocities the Nazi's committed.

 

The supreme court found that advocating violence is constitutionally protected so long as it doesn't incite imminent lawless action. So a politician can say "were gonna bomb the hell out of isis" and a nazi can say "I wish there were no jews".
Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia

 

The issue is the Nazis were directly responsible for millions upon millions upon millions of deaths.

 

Someone identifying as a Nazi doesn't present an imminent threat to anyone else. It sounds like you wan't to restrict their speech out of spite or something.

 

70 years ago isn't a long time historically and when you have people directly associating and promoting the acts done by the Nazi group, which included the absolute destruction of entire races they deem inferior and the death of millions more by warfare I'm not sure how you cannot identify a Nazi as an imminent threat.

Nearly the entire world came together to fight Nazis to end the death and tyranny they unleashed on this world. They should never be given another inch of power and should be hunted to extinction.

 

National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - Wikipedia
The supreme court doesn't think supporting Nazis represents an imminent threat.

 

The Supreme Court also thought unlimited dark money into political campaigns were fine, turns out everyone is wrong sometimes. Nazi-ism should not be allowed purely on the factual and historical damage they did to the entire world. I'm fine with people stating opinions but when you attach your opinions to the one group out of all the examples that was a legitimate threat to the world and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, that crosses the line.

I'd take the same stance if a ultra-nationalistic Japan sect begins coming out of the wood works preaching about how we should return to how Japan was during those times. -- It's unacceptable to think that we'll crack down anything related to ISIS but somehow Nazi-ism is ok to legally practice. We've seen ISIS cannot take down an entire civilized nation nor can it end it, we've seen Nazis do just that.

I think freedom of speech and opinion are good and great and should be afforded to all every single opportunity it can be -- But it should not be extended to those groups who have factually caused great and tyrannical harm.

Nazis should not be tolerated - They should be executed like the war criminals they are.

 

This is the very definition of America. Our country was created because the government censored the people. If the government has the power to revoke free speech, who knows what else will happen.

 

Nobody is restricting our free speech. I can't go join and promote ISIS. People shouldn't be able to join and promote Nazi. Both are enemies to the American people, the later was responsible for 1000x more American deaths.

Example - You can go around shouting how you hate minorities - You can't go around shouting that while using waiving a swastika, shouting heil hitler or waving a picture of Hitler around.

 

yeah but what about...

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