PUBLIC BANS

Keeping the public ban messages:

Pros:

*Players understand what's happening to fellow players while on. No one just disappears.
*Players see what it takes to get banned, because they see the moment of the ban.

Cons:

*Players are publicly humiliated.
*Players know what people were banned for.

I see how people may dislike the idea of bans being public, but I don't think peoples' images are adversely affected by displaying the ban publically. At the same time, this acts not just as a form of entertainment, it also shows players when and how people get banned.

 

I'm saying that if you don't play in game, then what your saying is likely to be based off wrong information. The reactions people have when people get banned is drastically different then it was the last time bans were public. And I don't consider a 29 to 6 vote a reason to be salty, cause it is pretty obvious what the majority want.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

I'm not necessarily saying that your opinion doesn't matter, I'm just saying it is most likely based off wrong information, if that makes sense. Look at it this way: You live in a town for years and years at a time, then move away for a little while. You come back, and everything is completely different. Houses were rebuilt, new laws and roads were put in, and all the people are different. You dislike these changes, and decide to run for mayor and change everything. Yes, your opinion still may be relevant but you have not been in the town for so long, you don't know why some of these changes were made, or the impact that they have. Compared to last time bans were public, the community is much more calm when a person is banned. It's less "haha get rekt" and more "yea, that guy had it coming, they deserved it." All I meant by that post was if you don't play, you are more than likely going to be out of the loop. Things are changing everyday with meep, and its hard to keep track of it all just by forums.

 

Mate, I am saying that you're using my ban in-game as an argument against the validity of my point, so you're attacking myself rather than the reasoning I gave. It really isn't relevant that I'm not playing in-game as long as what I said still applies - and it doesn't seem like much has changed that would render it obsolete.

 

In all honesty I don't know who you are nor do I know you were banned. That comment was not aimed towards you, rather to Deinen and Cyborg. I said "who don't log on" not "who are banned."

 

I understand, thank you for clearing that up.

 

I love seeing people get banned. I always laugh out loud.

 

Unless there was a policy change in the last 6 weeks or so, staff members don't tell people the length of bans when asked? I remember getting "that's not for me to tell you" multiple times when I asked staff about bans.

Though I agree simply telling people ban lengths upon request makes the most sense for me.

 

I don't think most people hold bans against others for very long unless it was something terrible, where then most already know about it from the ban appeal.

 

I mean if you want to know the reason and how long the ban is, check the appeal area on the forums and wait for the appeal to go up.






Lets party till sunrise?

 

I agree 100%

 

So a ex-admin who is on forums daily doesn't know what he's talking about?

 

Yes, because:

*files report*

Response: "This was already handled in game, denied."
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As it stands, i know if it has already been addressed by staff, so it saves me time and effort.

Also, I'm very much in favor of transparency.

 

Did you even read my response after that where I very clearly stated what I meant by that? Forums doesn't have the things that happen daily in chat. It doesn't say the reactions of people after bans. And just because he is an ex-admin doesn't mean anything. He doesn't represent the entire community and what he thinks isn't always right.

 

As am I but there are some things that are best left behind closed doors.

 

His opinion doesn't matter if he doesn't play? Besides, I never said that his opinion is always right or it reflects the whole community. To the contrary his opinion is in the minority. Don't put words in people's mouths.

You wouldn't of needed to explain if you thought before you spoke.

 

I am actually surprised at how ignorant you are being. Did you not read my post for the second time? I explained everything in that post. And yes I exaggerated what you said. Get over it.

 

I never had a problem. Not every disagreement is an attack on you buddy. I'm down for a debate if we can argue with logic and reason instead of with meaningless squabbling.

-Edit-

I read your post and correct me if I'm wrong, but his original point wasn't that people make a large fuss. It was that meepcraft is a business and shouldn't give away personal information that doesn't concern other people. I might of skinmed too quickly though.

-Double Edit-

He argues both. I still think that people might/do weaponize information and make a fuss.

 

This is exactly my thoughts.

This was always present in the red /seen line. For example, if I saw someone breaking a rule and wanted to report them, I could just /seen to see if it had been dealt with already.

All in all, I really don't see the point in ban messages being public. It only seems to cause issues or have the potential to cause issues. I mentioned it in shout when it was first implemented, as I was online at the time - I don't see the appeal nor the necessity behind public ban messages, and I find that the want for it seems to only come from a) a place of mistrust in staff to ban with their discretion or b) a place of a desire to ridicule or insult those who get banned. I don't see a pro to it that can't be resolved with less invasive ways, such as checking /seen or if it's a friend or relevant information to you, asking a staff member.

 

So first off this was done to stop the staff team from banning for stupid reasons, not for the enjoyment of a bunch of people who want to laugh at each other. In the end public ban messages are toxic to the community and if you want to keep them public you are promoting toxicity.

On a personal note Kling, you should probably ask admins before making stupid public polls which won't be effecting their decision.

Good luck with the pointless poll.