Colored Chat For Archs

First off, I realize this isn't the most important thing in the world, but hear me out please.

I realize that arch aren't considered staff, yet they work just as hard as them. Arch build everything we need for this server, and without them we wouldn't be much of a server. I believe we can at least give them a colored chat to help hear them out more.

 

Their rank responsibility is to construct builds. Their rank is not so they can stand out in chat, and their job has nothing to do with the community directly.

If you're putting archs on the same level as moderation staff, you might want to consult with a doctor because those jobs are quite different in nature and difficulty.

 

Im sorry if i offended u so harshly, but I believe with the amount of work they put into for our server, they should be seen with a bit more respect.

 

100% agree, they can't even enjoy the colors that their ranks give them.

 

They still work for the server for free. They don't expect any rewards for it, but this is just a very small recognition of the work they do for the server.

You seem awfully angry about this, in all honesty. He just wants to give a small token of appreciation to architects.

 

My main problem with this is - which colour?

These are all the colours in Minecraft.

Currently, Architect rank is #d, along with media - but that's the Supreme chat colour. #5 is Supreme Rank, #6 is Ultimate chat and Ultimate rank. #0, #1, #4 #7, and #8 are all relatively hard to read. #3 is Helpers and Mods, #b is Supermods, #c is Admins and Techs. #2 is the colour of Helper-Supermod ranks and is also very dark. #9 could work, I suppose, but it's Premium and messages. #e is Exclusive and used for 90% of announcements. Obviously #f is regular chat. You see where I'm going with this?

So which colour? Because these "give _ coloured chat" suggestions are lovely, of course they are, but you run into the dilemma of which colour no matter what.

 

Give them the supreme pink problem solved

 

I guess make Supreme #5 and give arch #d for the love of architecture. Also give media #d for the love of videos.

 

I would completely support supreme getting #5 as a whole (it is a way more attractive color than #d imo)


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Alright since people are starting to try to brainstorm colours now and I was able to collect my thoughts with the discussion in /g yesterday, I'll outline them properly.

This is counter-productive - we have enough Supremes constantly talking that the Architect chat would stand out even less. The point of the original suggestion is to "help hear them out more", so in no way does simply giving them #d help.

Not only do I feel that this would be unfair the the Supremes who do like #d, since they paid for it, but there's other issues too.

My main problem with this is I don't think you understand how dark most of the Minecraft chat colours are and how it'd feel very disruptive to chat to have them regularly occurring.

Look - Meep uses nearly every possible chat colour in some way. I think the only one that isn't in use is #1 and #0 but I could be wrong. But the most regularly used ones, the ones that are actually for chat, are 75% #a - #f;, with the only exceptions being #9 for messages, #6 for ults, and #3 for mods/helpers. Don't you ever wonder why Supreme isn't already #5? It's because #5 is dark enough that it would be out of place.

This might be a better visual, since it shows the right background. Notice that nearly all the heavily used Meepcraft colours are at the bottom, with the light colours. #1, #8, #0, #5, and #4 are all extraordinarily dark compared to the rest of the colours. They work for things like tags and beginnings of things, but not for huge blocks of text.

So the viable colours are #b, #9, #3, #2, #6, #7, #a, #d, #c, #f, and #e. Obviously not #f because that's default, and #a would look weird because it's the name colour. #d has the problem of still blending them in, which would be the same problem with #6. #b, #3, and #c are all staff colours, which would be a no go. #9 is message, which I can see messing a lot of people up if used.

So that leaves #2, #7, and #e. #2 is already used for Helper-SuperMod tags, which doesn't necessarily exclude it but could be confusing, especially for newer players. #7 is used for some little personal announcements etc., so it wouldn't be a big deal to use. But it does naturally get ignored, I find, because it's close enough to white to be boring but also darker so it doesn't get noticed as much. Finally, #e is probably the most viable imo, because iirc it's been used for Helpers in the past which wasn't a huge problem. But it is used for nearly all announcements, so it'd have to be decided if that would cause more people to skim over Arch chat as they skim over the announcements.

But even moving past the issue of "which colour", there's the issues I have with the reasoning behind having a chat colour for Architects in the first place.

Firstly, you're forgetting the reasoning behind coloured chat. The ranks with coloured chat currently are Supreme, Ultimate, Helper/Mod, SuperMod, and Admin/Tech.
Supremes and Ultimates get it because of the amount they donated to the server, which is fair but less relevant than the rest.
The reasoning behind staff members getting coloured chat is very important - people need to see and notice their chat! Be it with announcements or when they're helping someone out, Helpers, Mods, SuperMods, Admins, and Techs all need to stick out from the crowd in order to properly do their jobs.
The same can't be said for Architect and Media, though. In what case can you say that Architects and Media members require their chat to urgently be seen? Unless they're announcing a new map or something, it isn't necessarily, and that announcement would likely be done by a Tech or Admin who implemented it anyways.
In this way, the only reason for Architects and Media members getting a chat colour is for 'respect' and 'standing out'. Which in my opinion, isn't a good enough reason to mess around with other ranks or add new colours to an already cluttered chat.

Furthermore, as much as I appreciate and value what they do, I really don't think they need a chat colour of all things to garner respect and attention. The [Arch] and [Media] tags already stick out enough for that. Why do they need a chat colour for respect and to stand out when they already do, and adding one would cause more problems than the nonexistent ones they solve?

TL; DR: The only truly valid colours are light grey (#7), dark green (#2), and yellow (#e), which have their own issues too. There's also no real reason to add a colour for them, as they don't have the urgency for their text to be read like other staff members do. Finally, they already have attention and respect with their tags, they don't need a chat colour for that.

I'd possible be in support if you guys can figure something out that works without messing other people up, such as having Archs/Media have the text colour of their donator rank. But currently, I'm at a -1 for the reasons I've given.

I would however like to hear how those on the Architect and Media teams feel about this. Because all I've seen up to now is people who aren't on the teams insisting that Architects and Medias need a chat colour.

 

Tbh I don't know why they wouldn't be given the color of their given rank - Moderation staff have a new chat color because moderation staff have the new color for a reason, it sets them apart and gives players a specific thing to look at for moderation purposes

Arches and media are not important in this way (important yes but not here) and there is no necessity for them to have a new or separate chat color

 

When it comes to matters such as these, we need to ask ourselves: will this benefit the server in any way?

Architects already have a ton of power - they can basically make or break the very spawn that you /spawn in. They don't need to be moderating chat, they can just chill and build. So why, MrAwesomeBro, do they need chat colours? We all appreciate our architects, heck we still honour the ones who made the very first Meep spawn. So your point about them not getting enough credit isn't really so strong. Then there's going to be that one person who HATES the colour, so there will be another suggestion thread for changing the colour. Do we really need that? Is it worth the 5 minutes of suggestion meeting time? Or should we try to fix the economy and what not. -1

 

I think this is unnecessary. Staff gets colored chat because they need it to be seen in chat when making announcements and warnings. Architects just build. They do not require more noticeable chat colors.

 

nty

 

I wouldn't mind having the color chat of your rank if you are supreme or Ult, but I think adding another color would just make chat look worse. Also the tag is enough recognition in chat.

 

You'd look pretty in pink.

 

This is pointless. It's not worth trying to find a good color for us when I think a better alternative would be to allow us to use color codes.

Ultimately, it's up to the admins and I wouldn't care if they didn't want to give us the ability to use color codes.

Hmph! I'd look better!