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President Trump

Discussion in 'Debates' started by creepersareokay, Nov 8, 2016.

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How Will Trump Do In Office?

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  1. Deinen

    Deinen S'all Good Man

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    Your post is a litany of incorrect assertions.

    It is very arguable that when Trump asked Comey to stop the investigation, that was obstruction of justice.

    It is very arguable that when Trump asked the directors of various intelligence agencies to step in and stop the investigation, that it was obstruction of justice.

    If Trump used the false assertion of having recorded tapes in order to influence Comey's testimony in anyway - That is arguably witness intimidation.

    Will I sit here and say he is definitely guilty of these things? No - But I will say I would like a court of law to make a decision on whether or not that is a violation of law.

    In the grand scheme of things, I'd be much more worried about Mueller and the team he's brought on that historically has specialized in RICO cases. I'm also pretty confident that something is going to be found just because of all the sheer coincidences and then the subsequent lies of those coincidences. A group that has nothing to hide traditionally doesn't try to hide as much as the Trump administration has done so.


    But make no mistake, Trump's ignorance is putting him into legal jeopardy.
     
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  3. Deinen

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    All jokes aside, I voted for Sanders and I support most of his ideology.

    However, this issue should be investigated 100% and if any wrongdoing has occured, those who committed the offenses need to face punishment for those actions.
     
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    Thanks I tried to post that so both parties could have a laugh.
     
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  5. Deinen

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    None of what you said is true. Please provide proof.

    These are so stupid. "The crowd size was huge" who cares about his crowd size. Stop looking at his "stretched truths" because that's all he does is stretch the truth, he doesn't lie. Also, they showed the crowd sizes, they showed the crowd size of Obama half way threw the Inauguration and the crowd size of Trumps before it even started. Give me a break. This is nonsense. Try again.
     
  7. Deinen

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    Stretched Truths = A lie.
     
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    No it does not. This article is bringing up things that he either
    a.) changed his mind on
    b.)stretched the truth (like his crowd size)
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    c.) is just a lie in its self.

    At this point you are nit picking everything he does. Who cares what his crowd size is or who cares how much money he has. Stop with the nonsense articles Deinen.
     
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    Nobody cares, which is why its baffling he has to lie about it. Call it what you want, at the end of the day, he continuously says untrue things.

    Can you show me any of the untrue things nyt lists that trump said that is untrue?
     
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    @Deinen
    "“And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.)"
    This is obviously nitpicking by the nyt. Obviously he was referring to when the group rose to relevance, before iraq isis was a couple dudes.
     
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    In September of 2002 he was being interviewed by Howard Stern. When asked if he supports the invasion, he said "Yeah I guess so." And that he wished it was done correctly the first time.

    I agree the NYT is nit picking a bit, but the fact remains of the sheer number of untrue things he has said. All Presidents lie or say untrue things, but can you find me a President who has said more untrue things than Donald Trump?

    FALSE: Donald Trump Opposed the Iraq War from the Beginning
     
  12. MeepLord27

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    Well I think the caliber of the lies matters. Lying about your crowd size vs "I never had sexual relations with that women" is a pretty big difference. If Donald Trump lies about a bunch of stuff to pad his fragile ego and thats the worst of it, I could care less.
     
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    Except if he feels the need to lie about such minor things, why would he suddenly be truthful about stuff that is major?

    After saying 150 untrue things, does 151 matter if it's small or large?

    Keeping in mind, I don't blame him for being for the invasion back then because EVERYONE was for it and to be against it you were quickly labelled unpatriotic. The issue is he takes no stances and says whatever the situation warrants. He isn't trustworthy


    Look at healthcare, how many times has praised it then called it mean?
     
  14. Deljikho

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    Does "I've never have any relationships with Russia" count?

    Or maybe "I don't know Putin"

    Or perhaps "I don't have any business deals in Russia"

    Would any of those lies equate to the quote above by Mr. Clinton?
     
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    Cite? He didn't say that?

    What type of relationship was he talking about?


    I thought people got mad at him for saying he did know putin?! Its so hard to keep up with this stuff. Again, when and where did he say this?
     
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    He said "I have no deals in russia", not "I have no buisness deals with russia".
     
  18. Deljikho

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    I didn't say "with" I said "in" Russia, just as he stated; which is a lie because he does have deals in Russia. You're trying to argue semantics but you've just proved me right and are not addressing the issue that he's stated to have no deals in Russia when that's not factually true.

    You seem to be stuck and are trying to find some mental gymnastics to defend Trump. Arguing over "business deal" vs. "deal"? Any deal is inherently a business venture: What about his statement of not knowing Putin when he's met and spoken with Putin plenty of times? How do you defend that?

    There are plenty of other tweets denying any and all involvement in Russia but I'm not going to be looking through all of his tweets. Now you're just nitpicking to try defending him. He's lied countless times about his relationship with Putin and Russia in general which seems on par with Clinton lying about Monica Lewinsky, wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Not when people are saying he has a deal with the Russian government to undermine the united states.


    Right but going through donald trumps twitter feed is totally not nitpicking at all ;)

    When?
    The only website I can find saying he met putin was salon, the publishers of the infamous "virtuous pedophile" story.
     
  20. Deljikho

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    Oops sorry I didn't realize I shouldn't use his own official statements to prove he's a liar. My bad.

    You're still dancing around the issue:
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    He says it himself! I literally posted a video of him saying he had a relationship with Putin. He has another speech where he says he chatted with Putin at Moscows Miss Universe Pageant.

    You keep avoiding the overall issue.
     
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