Actual question for you meepcrafters

To join the cult you must share the same traits and follow the cause: Applications

 

mature
məˈtʃʊə/
adjective

1. 1.
   fully developed physically; full-grown.
   "she was now a mature woman"
   synonyms: adult, grown-up, grown, fully grown, full-grown, of age, fully developed, fully fledged, in one's prime, in full bloom, nubile
   "she is now a mature woman"
2. 2.
   having reached the most advanced stage in a process.
   "Van Gogh's mature work"

[one, two cents]

 

I'd definitely describe VKL as these.

 

Idk this seems most accurate:

 

I'm not saying that members of team are exactly the same, I'm saying that a majority of them have the exact same personality when they're playing online. Seriously, I've been on this server for five years and been on the staff team twice, and I've probably seen every worthwhile staff member come and go. I'm glad you're a positive person, I love positive people, but the problem with the positivity is that some people take it way too far and restrict themselves from being assertive and showing opinions. In my five years of playing, I have never seen someone who is hyperpositive like this ever become more than a mod with one exception, Junelawnchaired.

I've noticed a trend that every single staff member who actually gets stuff done doesn't trivialize themselves with acting positive, they are assertive and not afraid to get their hands dirty. Its why I think that positivity as a staff member is a juvenile mistake that gets fixed with age. Machiavelli once wrote that the best way to rule is with assertiveness, being nice all the time will lead to your subjects taking advantage of you and not taking you seriously.

It's common sense, really. When you're too busy limiting yourself by acting positive, you're going to do exactly whats asked by higher up staff members and nothing else. You'll never break the mold, you'll never have an actual opportunity to define yourself as a character because you're doing exactly what you're told. Thats why I think all these hyper positive people are the same.

I'd also like to point out that I dont care about the reason for your signature, I just found it interesting that literally every other staff member (except flamedemond2, who is a staff member I'd consider who "broke the mold") in this thread has the same exact one.

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Of course what I'm saying isnt based on fact its an argument based on emotion, your entire argument was also structured in the same way. You saying the following things: wasn't afraid to conform"..."went to extremes"..."inability to conform"..."each understood there is an order to things"..."They understood how to communicate" is all based on opinion. It isn't wrong to have opinion in arguments, but don't criticize me for it.

Theres a lot of proof to support my argument that impactful staff members don't follow the positivity shtick. Staff members who didnt care about positivity, like every single admin appointed and many good supermods, didn't care about positivity at all. I implore you to provide an example of an impactful staffmember (excluding junelawnchaired) that managed to make a lasting impact on the server with the positvity cliche. I can list examples to support my argument, but I'm swamped for finals right now, mail me if you want them and I'll be happy to provide examples.

You're right, I haven't been active lately, but I know a lot of members on the staff team personally and even worked with some of them. I'm very active on the forums, and I feel like I can make opinions on people by seeing what they post.

 

1. Positivity isn't the problem for a staff member being hindered, it would be more of the staff member trying to appear nice when they need to be assertive. Personally, I feel that a staff member can be nice and assertive with a balance.

2. Positity isn't trivial or immature. A player who allows themselves to be manipulated because of their public image is acting immature, but one who has no care or control of their actions is even less mature.

3. Creatice ideas are difficult to come up with. We don't know where most come from, as the staff work together.

4. Does @CluelessKlutz work as an example? Maybe not the most over the top positive, but still a positive guy as far as I know.

 

Please read my response to EllieEllite just above Lilstoke's amazing post

 

Negativity hurts the players and the servers.
Positivity doesn't.

People can be both positive and assertive.
Negative assertiveness isn't the right assertiveness.

You are a mature woman now

 

Please read my post above Lilstoke's brilliant image.

I never supported negativity, I made that extremely clear. Please read the thread before commenting.

 

That's what my post was about, it was in response to your post. This is what I think in regards to the evidence and arguments you presented.

 

1. Positivity isn't the problem for a staff member being hindered, it would be more of the staff member trying to appear nice when they need to be assertive. Personally, I feel that a staff member can be nice and assertive with a balance.

Yeah, thats essentially what I said. The type of positivity I'm criticizing is the type where you are literally incapable of expressing opinions or being assertive

2. Positity isn't trivial or immature. A player who allows themselves to be manipulated because of their public image is acting immature, but one who has no care or control of their actions is even less mature.

Positivity is not trivial nor immature, but going out of your way to appear positive when you're naturally not so is extremely immature.

3. Creatice ideas are difficult to come up with. We don't know where most come from, as the staff work together.

Not sure how this attacks my argument. I was just saying that most of the staff members who dont try to be positive are the ones getting stuff done. I was staff two times and my ex girlfriend, who was on the staff team after I was gone, filled me in on the details during her time as staff. I know where they come from because I've seen them be created.

4. Does @CluelessKlutz work as an example? Maybe not the most over the top positive, but still a positive guy as far as I know.
I wouldnt know

 

1. People can be all kinds of ways and still fail in being assertive or expressing opinions. Positive isn't the issue. I understand you mean a type of personality, but it's not the positivity, it's the conformity and non-assertiveness.

2. Maturity is interesting. Choosing to be more positive is more mature, in that it helps the server and the general mood, but only if the person is trying to become more positive on the server. If the person acts positive but doesn't desire to be more positive, then they are acting immature.

3. I'm trying to say that it's hard to truly know if one personality prevents people from presenting creative ideas. If you're meaning non-assertiveness and conformity, then that definitely keeps people from presenting ideas. People can be positive and present ideas, as long as they don't fear their social image changing.

 

I actually have read your post and my reply is not a direct reply to anyone, but when you say
"I think that positivity as a staff member is a juvenile mistake that gets fixed with age."
By stating that I'm assuming you said people should be negative?? Which isn't extremely clear at all, but all I'm saying is that positivity is a good aspect about the current staff team and it doesn't cause harm on the server. Yes, I agree that someone who is just positive and contribute nothing else have absolutely no qualifications to be a staff member.

I am guessing you are one of those people who just needed more rewording.

Also I don't have to read every single one of your rants to be able to comment on a topic I'm familiar about. Just a heads up

 

I'm just going to stop replying. It's obvious you have no idea what you're commenting about.

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1. being too positive is in most cases a liability. People who are too positive are trying to appeal to players, which isnt how it should be, staff members should be dedicated to not appealing to players but to making Meepcraft better.

2. Anyone who pretends to be what they are not is immature.

3. I'm not talking about all positive people, I'm talking about certain hyper positive people.

 

Since the majority of this discussion revolves around the "average" personality of a staff member, I do believe there's something to address about the matter. There's a fine line between natural positivity and the overbearing version of it. If someone is always unnaturally positive to the point they cannot see flaws, of course that is a problem. A logical perspective is to maintain a more positive approach to the issues at hand, while still being reasonable in admitting faults. There's also a difference between the manner appropriate varying on the group being addressed. I completely agree hyper-positivity is a weakness. Regardless if we like them or not, issues must be addressed. The challenge is to deal with said issues without being morbid about it.

Often, making the server better means working with the community. The current work of Helpers and Moderators is the community. Every single thing they do relates to working with the people already on the server.

Overall, the matter comes down to those on the team balancing positivity with the seriousness needed to get the job done.

 

Serious reply time
It is never and has never been about exactly positivity or maturity. Of course these things are necessary to an extent but for the most part you can be an ass as long as you can keep it under control when necessary.
Im a pretty good example of that. I would never have gotten demoted if I wasnt being an ass about things. But I also would never have been promoted in the first place if I didn't honestly give a damn.
To get staff you have to care and you habe to really care. Once that happens most things fall into place, people start to calm, they assist, they get more serious in things like their app, leading the main public to see "oh look how mature and helpful they are."

It is really about manipulating the public into thinking youre mature and positive and happy. If you already act mature and positive and happy youre good. If you're someone like clueless and you are always mature to the public eye, even if he says some really really stupid crap people are gonna giggle and not consider him immature due to the inconsistency.
You have someone like me, and I clean up and chill, I quit with the sarcastic and passive aggressiveness and hey look, Im not so bad anymore. Some people on the team now even want me as staff still lmao.

Tl;dr You dont have to constantly be happy and mature. You have to give a damn about that you are doing, the goal you're trying to reach, and be communicative of such. VKL can get it if he takes it seriously- like helping before he applies and not being an jerk on the app. But he can do it. Its all about deciding whether or not he cares enough to do that, and if not, staff will deny him forever.

 

Meep is pretty much dead anyway, why not make him staff?

 

That's a fair argument, I accept all your points. Thanks for replying!

I don't think you need to be positive to be a staff member, I feel like if you just keep your cool all the time and be a helpful person you'll get into the team no problem

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Whats the worst that could happen?

 

Negativity has been linked to alzheimers and dementia. Not super related just a (not so) fun fact