Marijuana Legalize?

How do you know they cant?

your uncles don't count as the majority of smokers

 

what if all the smokers were in disguise of marlin's uncles

 

It's a little late for that. The government requires certain warning labels by companies and services such as social security. Don't forget how drunk driving is illegal. The government now does have a job to protect people from themselves. Think of tobacco: the government requires certain labels, bans advertisements, and has raised taxes to get people to not be stipid and use cigarettes.

Also, secondhand smoke is another worry, as @Blue_marlin98 was partially saying. Though saying majority because of his uncles doesn't count, as his uncles are a few individuals, not the larger portion of marijuana users.

 

The government stopping false advertising is within there prerogative. Drunk driving is illegal because it can kill other people.

 

My point was to prove to you that the government has a right to creat laws for the purpose of protecting people from doing idiotic things. It is within the governments rights and power to stop advertisements which promote drug use, in other words, protecting people from their own bad decisions they make. You're right about drunk driving being a bad example though!

 

Nope, because if someone is being lied to by advertisements, there not being stupid, there being lied to. The government should and can regulate about that. Once I am being told the truth of what I am doing to myself, I should be able to make the decision to without the government interfering.

 

People lied to and the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act are different things. The government decides many things, one of which is that certain drugs should not be advertised on television. This doesn't mean that tobacco advertisements were lieing, just as brown egg commercials aren't truly lieing. Both just make their product sound better than it is by not giving information.

I think our differences in what the government should do comes from a difference in point of view of governmental power. I am trying to look at how the government currently uses its power in regards to drugs. The government doesn't currently say, "Do whatever you want." The United States instead chooses how much to regulate different things, and drugs are one extremely regulated thing. So the government isn't overstepping its bounds, as this is the power it's been using for a while, instead it is overstepping what you feel should be its bounds.

 

This is just like the abortion debate.
"My body My choice". "My life My choice". blah blah blah. When your "choice" effects society. Then it isn't just "your body".

 

If you're using this argument to be against marijuana, it should also apply to guns, but you support the 2nd amendment.

 

I agree with you that welfare abuse is bad. However, marijuana isn't necessarily the cause of your uncles welfare dependency; on the other hand it may only be a symptom.

Are you uncles smoking weed and doing nothing because they're lazy, or are they lazy because they're smoking weed? I would argue the first is more true than the second.

Marijuana isn't inherently bad when used in moderation. Obviously smoking massive amounts of weed isn't good for your productivity but as long as you don't let it get in the way of your work it's fine.

Besides, using your logic, should we outlaw TV and video games too? Plenty of people sit at home collecting welfare checks while watching TV or playing video games. Maybe if we banned them they might actually stop being lazy and get a job.

 

@Supreme_Overlord No I shouldn't use the same argument for guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I've said this before. I'll say it again.

@metr0n0me my uncles probably are just lazy, however it was lead on by drugs. As said before Marijuana is a gateway drug (stop denying it people) because they haven't always been that way. I understand Marijuana has ALOTTTTTT of purposes, medically. Other then that I don't agree with it.

 

Weed doesn't kill people, people kill people.

The research is shaky at best. Plus, if marijuana is legalized, people wouldn't have to go to sketchy dealers to buy weed.

 

And if they buy weed that is regulated, there is no chance of buying weed that is laced with harder drugs.

 

Smoking weed can impact society as a whole. Yes, I understand that someone using a gun to kill someone can effect certain lives but not in the same way.

 

Ok, don't advertise marijuana on television.
Were done here right?

Its much different thought, because pot doesn't make me violent, and the solution to your point about a welfare state isn't really valid because locking people up for using weed costs us way more than keeping them on welfare. Instead, impose big taxes on marijuana so that the poor people who are reliant on it have to work to get it, and society benefits from the potheads buying it because we get $$$ in taxes.
As it stands, people becoming degenerate potheads does affect society negatively, but it being illegal isn't helping the problem. Once its legal, we can turn it into a net positive in society, and if some person wants to sit around screwing themselves up all day, they probably weren't going to be a very good member of society anyway so I say let em.

 

Marijuana and guns are both things that do not inherently kill people. I'm actually more in support of marijuana being legal than guns, because I think that the harm outweighs the good of keeping certain types of guns legal and I'm unsure what I think about certain aspects of the gun debate in general, but regardless, my point is that if marijuana should be illegal because it can be abused and users can harm society, the same can be said for guns.

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How do you know that their laziness was led on by drugs? How would that be different from someone saying something like, "I know that x person is a murderer; however, it was led on by guns"?

Anyway, everybody that uses marijuana goes on to use dangerous drugs. I'm not sure about the statistics, but if marijuana actually is often a gateway drug, it's likely just because it's been illegal in the first place. If you have to break the law in order to use marijuana, non-lazy and non-risk-taking people who are focusing a lot on their future are going to often be automatically turned away from using it, which means that the lazier and riskier people (the ones who are more prone to expiriment with dangerous drugs) are going to likely make up the majority of the ones who use it. Even if marijuana has often functioned as a gateway drug, legalizing it would probably stop it from being like this. If marijuana were completely legalized, it would be on about the level of alcohol, which is something that tons of people consume without ever going on to use dangerous drugs. Sure, people still abuse alcohol and people would still abuse marijuana as well, but these people are not reflective of the majority of alcohol users, not would they likely be reflective of the majority of marijuana users if it were completely legalized.

 

Guns can't affect your mental well being? Owning a gun can't influence your personality.

 

I think he was asking a rhetorical question. He was trying to say that guns don't affect your personality and make you violent, in the same way marijuana makes you lazy.

 

I know it was drugs that made them lazy and want to stay home because they weren't like that before they started doing them.

 

I was just saying that marijuana isn't necessarily the cause of their laziness.

Someone's laziness can become apparent through their marijuana abuse in the same way that someone's violence can become apparent through their gun abuse, but these tendencies were probably things that they had independently of marijuana or guns. From what is known about marijuana effects, there are no proven long-term brain or personality issues, so if a marijuana user is a lazy person, they were probably already like this.