Abortion

But the fetus can't even think or feel til over 20 weeks. It isnt even a full person yet.

Why are we valuing a mass of cells ovver an already functioning person?

 

Because you are killing the potential baby, you aren't killing yourself.

 

I could care less what a woman wants to do with her body, I care about the person inside it. You don't gain moral superiority over someone just because that someone is growing inside you (no not like that...) and you can't empirically decide to kill them.

 

POTENTIAL baby
potential.
It is not fully alive yet, it cannot function, no you're not killing yourself you're killing a jumble of cells.
Why do we value a mess of cells over a functioning member of society?
Note the word "Functioning."

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2017 ---

Again.... Mass of cells or adult woman. If you're faced with a choice to step on a petri dish holding a fetus over shooting a woman in the face, you're gonna get your nice boots out

 

@Muunkee you do know you were "that group of cells" before.... right? And now you are a human being.

 

its not an either or? Being pregnant doesn't stop you from functioning.
Also, can I kill you if I numb the area first so you don't feel pain?

 

Uh huh? Whats your point?

Christ
You people completely miss the points of anything anyone says so you can say what you want

that's not what that means
Being pregnant is a hell of a tax and a choice and a life changing event, whether you keep the child one they're born or not, people should have a choice over what happens to their bodies, yeah?

 

Certainly, I believe women should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies. Except when they are pregnant, then they have to wait 9 months. Then they can continue doing whatever they want after 9 months. How about if you do not want to get pregnant have your tubes tied and burned! Then you won't get pregnant.

 

Ok, but once you have a child in your body, its no longer just your choice. Its a shame that it will suck for you, but you have personal responsibility for your actions, and if your actions lead to you being pregnant, you don't get to kill a child because you f*cked up.

 

"I think women should do what they want, except when they have a preventable event, then they can't because screw what they want. If they don't want it they should consider a 100% permanent solution, much like us men, we chop up the works inside our balls when we don't want kids right now, because that makes sense, wouldn't want to wait in case I want kids later : D"

 

Abortion is also a permanent choice, how about if you don't want kids now you adopt later?

 

So I dont get to suck out some mass of cells from my body because it's always my problem. I'm curious, what about when my birth control fails, or I was raped? Amm I still "Responsible for my actions" even though my actions were to take preemptive measures, or my actions were being a victim? lol

It's not even a child yet if it cant even think

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2017 ---

Abotion is permanent for that one mass
your solution is "You have 1 option no matter what" and that is ridiculous

 

I'm just saying if you do not want a kid don't get pregnant. Via many different options that will stop you from getting pregnant.

 

if you were raped of in danger of dying, it should be legal. I never disputed that.
If you took birth control pills and it failed, you are still responsible because you know the risks going into it. you know there is a chance that your precautions could fail.

 

Spare the amateur dramatics, its intellectually dishonest. Onto the actual points.
I can't confer tone or empathy online, so let me clarify, I think it is a terrible situation if someone has an unwanted pregnancy, I think its a tragedy, I think the person deserves as much emotional and monetary support from family and friends as possible.

By participating in sex, they are taking the risk (of there own free will) that they might get pregnant. If you take that risk, you have the responsibility to see that potential pregnancy through. You don't get to end a life (or a potential life, either way its still immoral) because you screwed up. The morality of killing a child doesn't change based on intention. The morality of killing a child does change if the mother might die.
When I say "Child" I really don't wanna get the wrong point across, I do agree that its not a full child, and its not worth the life of a full person, but its still a potential child.

 

Diseases can be viewed in the same way though. We could use a similar simile for cancer, viewing the car proceeding down the track as someone having cancer and it reaching the end as their death, but this process being set in motion doesn't mean that it needs to happen. In the case of cancer, I think that we should try our hardest to remove the car from the track.

Also, in the case of pregnancy, we could really move the track back farther and say that any heterosexual person is on a track to create a child unless something pulls the car off the track along the way. If they are heterosexual, people are naturally programmed to reproduce, so deciding not to do so is interfering with the natural process that is going to occur if nobody decides to change anything. Assuming that the end of the track is the formation of a sentient child and not birth, I think that stopping the car is essentially the same no matter the point at what it is done. If abortion occurs after the sentient child is formed, then sure, it's a different thing, but if you're stopping a sentient child from being formed in the first place, I don't see how it matters at what point this is done, as the result is still the same.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2017 ---

Why does the life of a potential child matter? Do you think that it's immoral for people to not constantly have kids? Think about all of the potential children that will never be created because people don't have sex in the first place.

 

Ok, but there initiation of the physical realization of the child on its a "collection of cells". While there is the potential life of the children in all the people who don't **** like bunnies, all those lives are hypothetical.

 

All lives that haven't come into existence are just hypotheticals. Some hypothetical lives are just closer to becoming a reality than others, but this doesn't mean that they are deserving of rights.

 

once its a collection of cells, theres more to it than just an idea, I.E. its more than just a hypothetical.