Marijuana Legalize?

Being poor is not a choice. Pretty stupid to say that. Video as garbage, just said my mom was poor and she worked 3 jobs and was still poor. Also back in her day minimum wage and cost of living were met more closely, meaning what someone could have done with 3 jobs at minimum wage is greater than what someone could do with 3 jobs at minimum wage today, especially depending on state. Video actually provided less than nothing, since there was not a single fact and it wasted 3 minutes of my glorious life. If I hate tried to cite this on any sort of paper for college, I would have been laughed at, had my paper ripped up, and failed the class. For god sake you got an opinionated puff video from the founder of a tea party and tried to use it.

U ever come at del again and its a wrap. lemme just say that.

You have made careless, idiotic, fanatic claims with no actual statistical evidence and you even have the nerve to start disrespecting dein (A father with a job) and del(a college educated individual) who shocking have all the experience of the world you lack on the subject, then expand to insulting entire classes of people. The best part was the following, predictable fanaticism about veterans. I promise you know absolutely nothing about ANY of the things you tried to talk about. you havent even taken economics class and your trying to talk about the economic status of people.

Argue better Marlin, cuz that was pitiful. 1 statistic. 1 graph. all anyone asked for.

Side: We activated in NY son yall better check whats goin on in ya state cuz we activated rn on the free college boiiiiiiiiii.



On to the actual topic because I'm personally sitting on 10 grams of Grand Daddy Purp just WAITING to be rolled into a blunt.
I am personally in favor of legalization. The persecution of weed has opened up the gates for drug cartels to make incredible amounts of money that doesn't go towards the government at all. There are no recorded deaths due to weed and is non addictive from a chemical perspective. To have it as a schedule 1 drug is absurd. People who smoke weed don't go out and commit murders, they order a dominoes pizza (with bacon of course) and watch netflix. All of these things considered, I think it is impractical to have it illegal and would benefit everyone to have it legalized. Colarado made 1 billion off of taxes in 1 year. 1 billion for things like schools and welfare programs. Things that can make a difference in people's lives. Thats important. I dont see a practical reason to having it illegal since it is less deadly and less addictive by both cigarettes and alcohol. I would love for someone who is against legalizing weed to state a practical (non-conceptual) reason to keeping it in the same class of drugs as heroin.

 

@WeAreNumberUno can we perhaps change the topic of this thread to general debate

 

GDP mmm

 

Thanks! Im looking forward to it! so if they dont have an address they can use a P.O box or even some churches will allow them to use their address. As heartless as it sounds, society needs to stop making excuses and find a way. Find a way or stay homeless forever, the choice really is theres.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2017 ---

ohhhh im so scared, what are you gonna do if I "attack" someone on a debate.

 

Legalise it

And regulate like alcohol.
Remove that pesky federal ban as well

 

How the heck did we go from smoking weed to being poor?

Anyway I have no interest in weed or smoking it or whatever, but this video I feel clears up why weed is illegal, and the reason is kinda stupid.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 15, 2017 ---

The way you said that made me laugh, IDK why, it seems stupid. But the APA did classify homosexuality as a mental disorder, but they don't anymore.
Here: Homosexuality as a Mental Disorder Simply Not Backed Up by Science

 

I should be able to harm myself however much I want, i'm not harming anyone else. The government is supposed to protect my rights from threats domestic and foreign, it doesn't need to protect me from my own stupidity.

 

Ahhh we disagree on something, as long as America is a welfare state it's not just hurting yourself it's hurting everyone. So in my opinion only medical marijuana should be legal.

 

they still need to stop locking people up for decades for getting caught with marijuana. Getting put in jail for having marijuana will cost the public way more than some pothead sitting around on welfare. At the very least, make getting caught with marijuana a ticket, so the public theoretically gets reimbursed, you could also potentially institute a policy where getting caught with recreational marijuana disqualifies you from welfare.

 

Weed isn't harmful, nowhere near as harmful as cigs or alcohol. Weed gets such a bad name because it is grouped with stuff like heroin, meth, cocaine which ARE bad for you. People just need to be smart. I think since a lot of you guys are young you wouldn't understand, since you shouldn't do it when you are like 11 or 12. But once you hit 15 or 16, you are smarter and more mature. You won't do anything stupid.

Legalize it everywhere already. It's legalized in California already, but tbh it doesn't matter. People will do it either way and won't get caught. Pretty much the ONLY reason I'm opposed to it is because plugs don't sell much anymore in Cali since it's easy for adults to get their hands on it. Makes it harder for me not being 21, but it's whatever.

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False. Legalization is REALLY bad for dealers. If weed is widely available to people, and at a cheaper price, dealers won't have an interest. Sure, there might be more cocaine, heroin, meth, etc that gets out but honestly weed is the biggest market. Dealers sell at a much higher price than what the state will which is good for legalization, but it also means its harder for minors.

 

@MeepLord27 agreed that they shouldn't be put in jail for it (unless caught selling it, then a night in jail is acceptable) but I agree they should just have it confinscated and ticketed.

@Killer2themx im 18 and know plenty of people who do it and I disapprove. They go "it helps me drive better" BULL CRAP! Don't do it unless you need it medically.

 

Have you ever gotten high off weed? Have you ever experienced that? I don't mean hanging with your friends, they are smoking a joint, and you take a puff for the experience, no, I mean have you ever actually TRIED it. Have you had your friends hook you up with a joint, you get their help, and you smoke the whole thing? If you haven't, do it then talk on the subject. The feeling you get is unreal. It makes everything funny, fun, happy. When you're a teen, and your emotions are bouncing off the walls, it's REALLY nice to get a chance to make everything funny. And if it isn't BAD for you, why have a problem with it? I have NEVER heard people say it helps them drive, and your friends are EXTREMELY stupid for saying that. Those are the kinds of people that make weed look bad!

 

No I haven't ever smoked weed or anything really. I have no intention on doing it either (unless I need it MEDICALLY) and I will have an opinion on it. As I do have an opinion.

 

Not really a good argument because it has a logical incentive to stop you from harming yourself. You are a citizen of the state and the loss of a citizen is a lost to the state. This loss can be quantified economically and it is a loss morally.

Many laws are actually put into place to protect you from your stupidity. Jaywalking is theoretically illegal to protect you from the stupidity of walking into a place where cars are.

See, like thats what people have a problem with. Who are you to say that it does or doesn't? You don't smoke, you don't smoke and drive. Its an incredibly common thing for people to smoke and drive and I have so many friends who make the same claim because they say they feel less nervous and fidgety while driving. Instead of believing them or finding evidence contrary to what they are saying, you dismiss it and stick to your righteous claim against something you know very little about.

You're committing logical fallacies left and right throughout this entire thread. Your fallacy here is personal incredulity fallacy aka incredulous fallacy.

"Because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true." - Your logical fallacy is personal incredulity

 

@epick8 i do not have to be a drinker to understand alcohol makes you drunk. I do not have to smoke cigarettes to understand it causes you to age faster and causes lung cancer. All I need are the studies that are out there. Look em up. I have not said anything that was false and if I have it was corrected. I do know being high does not make you a better driver, and I believe @Killer2themx agreed that it doesn't make you a good driver and you are stupid if you say so. He also thinks it should be legal, so it's not just coming from a non smoker. Again, as long as America is a welfare state I will be opposed of legalizing it unless it's for medical purposes.

 

I like being high more than my regular feeling so that's why I do it

 

I'm actually amazed that in response to a claim about logical fallacies, you commit more logical fallacies. I guess I shouldn't be shocked anymore.

Your logical fallacy is burden of proof
Yet another logical fallacy where you make a claim then put the burden of proof on me to find this evidence to support you without ever actually supporting your claim.

How?

False.

 

You haven't quoted anything that I said that was false, please show me in a quote of what I said that was false, then show me proof it is false.

Driving with a Marijuana High: How Dangerous Is It?

 

Doesn't matter if the state loses out, its not your job to serve the state, the state serves you.

 

The article shows no linkage between smoking weed and car accidents, so at the very least you haven't proven that smoking weed and driving is a bad thing.

"They'll drive slower, they'll follow cars at greater distances, they'll take some actions that at least somewhat offset the fact that they're impaired," Hansen said.
I suggest looking to this section for what you're friends are referring to. They become more cautious while driving. So, while trying to cite an article to use it against driving and smoking, you find a line that actually supports what your friends are saying, yet still dismiss it.

The article is self claimed to be shaky. Realistically, nothing here is hard fact ( which is why the link between cigarettes and lung cancer is different because that is well documented) but instead supposed to be informative about loose relationships between smoking and driving. They don't intend to actually make claims here. They don't intend to say that it is safe, nor do they intend to say that it is not safe.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2017 ---

True, depends on perspective.