Abortion

Although I agree that abortion should be taken seriously and should be the last option for a pregnant woman, this is just rude and disrespectful to those women, including your mother who bore you for weeks to give you birth.

 

Kill the baby because you'll be depressed that you gave it to a new home. . .

anyway @Muunkee You compared dead people to women. I disagree with you. That was stupid comparison so don't go saying Im the one who believes dead people have more rights as YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THAT UP. This is totally different then an organ donor. Another thing, If you don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex (or have safe sex) or maybe the mother can do the same to herself as she's about to do to her child. . . if you know what I mean. No one forced you to spread your legs and get pregnant, as far as rape goes, I can understand some women not wanting to deal with that so i'm fine with abortion on that topic if the mother really cant handle it (lookie you changed my mind on one thing) but just to abort the child because you'll get fat, stitch marks or don't want to be a mother. How about get your tubes tied and burned because you probably don't deserve a kid anyway and I wouldn't want any kid coming from you into this world.

They are still human beings tho.

Yay we agree on something! Cheaper and easier adoption services!!!

This is where you are wrong, although it may cost $10,000 to raise a child the adoption price itself is much much more. I know 2 people personally who have adopted a child, each costing over $50,000. one was 75k but she had to go to another country in order to get the child. also, many families who can afford to raise a child do not have 15k sitting in the bank.

Literally the average cost for going to a 4 year college is like 25-30k a year. Cheaper if you go to a community college which is around 5 or 6k per year for the 1st 2 years.

Single parenthood and gay marriage are bad on children , sorry but I will never be okay with an LGBTQ couple adopting a child (unless the child is at least 8 years old and has the right to choose).

Okay overpopulation is a lie and anyone who believes in it is just stupid. Yes there can be over populated areas but the world or USA itself is no where near overpopulation.

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That isn't disrespectful

 

They are potential human beings, I'm not sure if science would qualify them as humans during the stages where abortion is legal. As I said before, if seperated from the womb at those stages could it even live on it's own or function? I'd argue that since that answer is no, it's not quite a human being.

 

What is the cost of adoption from foster care?

"Adopting a child from foster care is often funded by the state, and in most cases there are few or no fees. "

"Other types of adoption usually do cost money. According to Child Welfare Information Gateway, working with a private agency to adopt a healthy newborn or infant or to adopt from another country can cost $5,000 to $40,000. Some agencies have a sliding scale based on the prospective adoptive parent’s income.

The cost of working with an attorney and not involving an agency may range from
$8,000 to $40,000 and averages $10,000 to $15,000."

Where am I wrong? Two people that spent 50k on adoption does not mean that's the average cost of adoption. It's still between 10k and 15k, also there are many programs to provide financial support for adoptive parents.

 

So you're not okay with a single mom but you're also not okay with abortion, and remind me why gay marraige is bad on kids? Kids are by far the most accepting of gay marraige and the ideas in general. Kids adapt to the world they grow up in.
God prefers kind atheists over hateful christians. You are prejudiced for no reason.


....So you want women who don't want kids to spit them out, but perfectly capable, loving, and wanting parents who are unable to have children aren't allowed to have them? Because.... why again? What?? why????

Any gay parents can raise a child the same way as a mother and father. They will still have to teach the child the same things and do the same thing. It's not like if you're gay you're somehow unfit for raising a kid. Why is it bad. WHY is it bad. They will still get male and female role models from other family members, siblings, friends and friend's parents, teachers, so you don't want people to adopt because they both have the same stuff between their legs.
Absolute 100% unreasonable prejudice.

A gay couple will be far more capable of raising a baby more than I ever will.

This is a mess.


@Blue_marlin98 what about the video about not stopping abortions, but stopping safe abortions?
How is giving up blood or your organs to save a life different than giving up your body to create one?


I can go with easier adoption, but you wanting to restrict LGBT adoption is crazy,

- An estimated 2 million LGBT adults are interested in adopting and LGBT parents are raising about 4% of children in the US, Source

With a few hundred thousand kids at one time in the foster system, and letting some of the two million LGBT adopt/foster a kid easier, we would be able to get rid of the problem of adoption altogether lol

Lets move the train to adoption, sure, but god

You don't want women or LGBT people to have all available and reasonable choices in matters regarding children. Good to know.

 

@Deljikho cheaper if you hire an attorney, then its 10-15k but if you read it says up to 40k on average.

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Not at all what I said, I said single parenthood is not good on children and gay marriage also isn't good. I have provided sources on that however I dont want to get into the discussion again so you can go back and find them. My problem right now is abortion.

 

Nowhere does it say 40k on average. It literally says "average $10,000 to $15,000"

It can cost up to $40,000 but that's if you get a child from another country or go through a private agency, which is their personal choice. But that does not mean 40k average do you also see the 5k in front? Anywhere between 5k to 40k is typical for those types of adoption but it's still average of 10k to 15k for most adoptions.

Edit: Maybe if we raised the minimum wage more people would be able to adopt children. Also more expecting parents would feel financially stable and would have less abortions. Hmm..

 

what about the video I have linked about not stopping abortions, but stopping safe abortions, and how women are going to die due to unsafe operations vs a legal and very safe abortion now?

Please stop avoiding the issue

 

I hope yo

what?
Have you met gay people?
They would be great parents.

 

Btw guys Same Sex Marriage Harms Children
This is the source he used to defend the "gay marriage is bad on children" thing.

 

*facedesk*

So people really do take Truenews seriously...

God damn comments like

want to make me kill myself, even though I agree with his conclusions in the first place.



As to abortion, I believe that abortion is immoral and is ending the potential life of a human being. I can however see the case for abortion if the baby (fetus?) is at a high risk for genetic disease or something that would drastically affect its life.

I respect if you disagree with me and I can see your arguments too; in my opinion the difference is that most pro-life people believe that life starts at conception and most pro-choice people would say that life starts when the fetus can survive on its own. That's something that I think we can agree to disagree on, since admittedly the viewpoint that babies are only actually alive when they're self-sufficient is also quite valid; I just disagree.

So in short, abortion is immoral, but neither I nor the government are the moral police. I won't shame you for having an abortion, but I do believe that it's akin to murder since you're robbing a human (or future human) of the right to live, and a human life is (to me anyway, since I'd consider myself fairly religious) something sacred that nobody has the right to take away.

But again, that's just my opinion; I won't try to force it down your throats. Though I think that if you were to have an abortion, there needs to be a reason why you'd get one (i.e. the fetus has a genetic disorder, I was raped, etc.) and not something like "I was irresponsible and decided to have unprotected sex and now I don't want the kid" which I find to be heinous. However I'll admit that that kind of attitude is a lot less common that most conservatives seem to think it is, even though it's definitely out there.

 

Curious, what if you were doing protected sex and missed a pill or two on accident or the condom broke or just that 0.5% possibility of getting pregnant regardless of contraceptives used, you get pregnant. Would abortion still be okay in your opinion as a kinda almost A for effort deal or no?

 

Would be an easy way of getting rid of stupid people, imo.

Again, unless the mother was raped or in jeopardy of death herself then she should be forced to carry the baby. No I did not mean that sentence in a way that mothers who abort the child should kill herself as well, What I meant was she should think about the child.

Look for a concrete wall, maybe the one Trump will build. I dont believe in global warming and overpopulation is in fact false.

Great parents as in a financial parent and showing some love but a child needs a mommy and a daddy.

I know you quoted him and not me, I still want to answer the question (even though I think I have made myself pretty clear). So No, this leads to a "you play you pay" you knew of that 0.5% chance so now that you were "the lucky one" (sarcasm) who got pregnant, you should be responsible for caring and nurturing the child.

 

Heartless Quote Counter: 3

 

I would not say heartless, realistic would be more reasonable.

 

lol nah telling off a homeless person is pretty heartless

and being OK with a woman dying because she got an abortion is just as heartless as abortion itself; it's literally being indifferent about someone dying (isn't that why we're anti-abortion in the first place?)

 

Then in my opinion, you have a false perception of reality if you truly believe the things that you are saying.

 

Ehhh, no, but again I'm just going off my personal sense of morality. I get that sex is fun and all, but the primary purpose of sex is for procreation. If you're willing to have sex, even protected sex, you should be ready to accept the consequence of the <0.5% chance the contraceptives fail. But again these are just my views based on my personal belief that life starts at conception; I recognize that there are valid arguments for legalized abortions but I don't think I can personally stand for it.

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Out of curiosity, is a one-week old baby a human being, since it quite clearly can't survive on its own without its parents (or someone caring for it)?

 

When I say this im saying the woman has the right to live or take her life, right?
The child does not.
I'm not pro-life because I want to stop people from dying, I want to stop people from murdering something that has never got the chance to live. The mother is probably at least 16 years old (still a child herself) or older but a minimum of 16 (yes some can be younger but we will say 16) she has the choice to kill herself if she pleases, the child does not. (let me say I would love to stop suicide, no one should ever feel like they should have to die in order to stop the mental pain of bullying etc) but the child you aborted did not have a chance, all because you don't want to be a parent?

Okay let me make this easier, everything I say on here. I do believe.