Villagers

What's the suggestion again?

i thought meep already had villagers

-1 to villager breeding tho.

 

Im fine with breeding but lets try to not re-enable iron farms please, those will kill the iron economy

 

They're already enabled, just nerfed incredibly.

 

I just explained this. Villager trading spawns in items that were once hard to get and then makes the valueless. If everybody is villager trading then that only means more of these once rare items are introduced into the economy thus destroying it further. Read the entire thing before making a pointless remark like this that was already explained.

 

You are so hostile

It doesn't destroy the economy though... It touches a bit. Villagers aren't what meep is about

 

Did you literally not read anything I wrote before? I just one person destroyed the Enchanted Book Market from villagers in one day. Villagers destroy Minecraft Economies. Sure they're great on survival or a small server of 10-30 people. But on a server that has 1,000 players logging on and off throughout the day, it is going to completely destroy the economy.

Breeding should be disabled.
You should be able to cure zombie villagers.
Villager Trading should be a focus point of the spawn.
Players should be allowed to claim and own random Villages.
Iron Golem farms should be nerfed more heavily.

 

1) Meep did not have 1000 players logging on and off of it.
2) If grinders (mob grinders) are allowed, then the book market is already poor. It's already a bad "market", since getting XP is incredibly easy. There's no reason to use that as a reason to -1 this if you don't understand how easily you can get level 30 (takes like 1 min in a decent grinder) books
3) You keep on saying "it'll destroy the economy". Do you really understand how it will, lol? yes, villagers introduce lots of "rare" (not even) items into the economy. How is this a horrible thing? How will this destroy an economy? The economy was not reliant on the "rare" items that can be gained from villagers in the first place. How can an economy get destroyed by items that weren't even that big of a portion to begin with?

Iron golem farms nerfed? even more? are you just stupid? Why would you nerf something that's already nerfed to the point of it not really being worth the time? Is THAT not destroying the economy?

I think you need to calm down, stop repeating yourself, and stop being so ridiculously hostile toward ANYONE who dares to disagree with you

 

With spawner mining disabled, obtaining valuable enchanted books is essentially impossible. Similarly, it takes a lot more of an effort to effectively build villager farms, since large-scale curing operations are no longer possible (again, with the removal of zombie spawners).

I also think you’re confusing “destroying the economy” with “lowering the value of an item.” As Imacutyou explained above, creating ebooks isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as it stimulates player-to-player economic transactions (god armor, ebooks themselves, etc.) Additionally, ebook making can revitalize god pvp, an aspect of the server that’s completely dead at the moment.

There will still be a demand for ebooks, because @KlutchDecals affirmed that /fix isn’t going to come back. Therefore, peoples’ god armor will still run out, and they’ll be forced to purchase new sets—we definitely won’t see the same stagnation we had before.

When you were “destroying the economy” with ebooks, you most likely sold god armor to elite+ people with /fix. With /fix, the market for god items (and by extension, god books) was very low—one set could last you months if you kept /fixing it and didn’t jump into pvp.

In short, there will always be a demand for god ebooks, and they’ll always have some base price. Therefore it’s not necessary that we nerf villager breeding.

Besides, when you make ebooks, all the transactions are player-to-player anyways, which gets money moving around the server. It’s not like you’re selling them to a server shop and bringing money into the economy out of thin air.

edit: formatting

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What's the point? The devs have more useful things to do anyways, since iron golem farms are already essentially useless. Seriously, afking at a huge iron farm for 24 hours only netted me a couple stacks of iron. Also, as Cluelessklutz stated above, the ultimate goal is to concentrate people in towny. You don't want to force players to play dumb minigames to get cash, do you?

 

TBH ''rare'' items are items not easily obtained in the vanilla game. If everybody is able to trade villagers for these items then they no longer have value. There are already a limited amount of items in the game, items that are hard to obtain. A large influx of such items will decrease the items value.

With mob farms, It still took me 4-5 minutes at the best possible mob farm you could get after the plot nerf for mobs spawning to get 30 levels. On top of that a lot of my god swords durability was taken in the process.

Villagers bring in Diamond Tools and Armor into the economy without the actual use of needing diamonds to craft them. Thus in return hurting the Diamond Market. All you need are Emeralds to get items otherwise difficult to obtain. If such was the case, then where is the value in any item on the server? It's difficult enough for items to hold their value, let alone villager trading completely destroying such a market.

And regarding PVP, no body cares about PVP except a small crowd on the server. Players have been constantly complaining about 1.9+ pvp. Come on dude, instead of crying about how pvp is impossible now, learn how to adapt and become a better player in the new updates. 5 Million years of evolution have prepared you guys for such a moment. (And yes Klutch is brining back 1.8 pvp)

Also the dev thing was just dumb from your part. Of course this is something important for devs. It's game changing and should be one of their focus points. It's implications are tremendous. Also I do understand that mini-games suck and should go die in a hole. BUT IF EVERYBODY IS BREEDING VILLAGERS INFINANTLY THEN NOTHING IN THE ECONOMY HAS VALUE. Sure you could find a saddle in a dungeon like a normal player, but screw that. Item that took someone probably 10minutes to an hour to even find. No, the item is only worth 50 meebles because you can trade villagers infinitely for them. Thus decreasing it's value.

Also E-Books are a good conversation piece. They're semi easy to get if you're at a mob farm. Great. But the fact is that if you can infinitely get E-Books from villagers where's the value in the E-Book? Also you're able to get a specific type of E-Book you want. Unlike using an enchantment table. The value is out the window because guess what, someone somewhere is selling that same book for cheaper than you, and so on and so on. If everybody can easily get E-Books from villagers then where's the value? Sure it's Player-to-Player transactions, but where's the value in the books? 100 meebles? 400 meebles? You're going to have 30 pwarps competing for a lower book price. Which is good for a real life economy. But not a Minecraft Economy when you have a semi-large player base for only limited items that actually have real value. There are already not enough items in the game to hold any real value itself. Items that are hard to obtain and actually take work to get have value. But villager trading throws all of this out the window. We've already seen this happen on the server!!

And my statement with the ''1000 player thing'' was that not all at once there is a 1000 players on the server everyday. But throughout the entire day, Roughly a thousand players will have logged on the server and logged off. Some log on for 20 minutes, some stay logged on for a few hours. It's an in and out style I was trying to go with. Players come and go.

Also whilst playing on MeepCraft before Klutch deleted it. Sorry. Some random noob deleted it* (cough Klutch, cough on Purpose) I was noticing players who haven't played on the server for 34 days that still had 1mil meebles, 10mil meebles still in their balances.
WOW AMAZING. These players have such large amounts of monies but nothing to spend them on. I know! Lets allow players to abuse villager breeding and trading to only decrease such said items even more!! WOWZERS! Instead of increasing such said items to obtain them the legit and hard earned way that takes actual work to grind for. Lets just hand them out instead and completely destroy such said economy.

The point I'm trying to get across is that Villagers only damage Minecraft Economy Servers. Their large influx of somewhat rare and valuable items that take hard work to obtain can easily be acquired via 10 seconds of villager trading thus decreasing such said items value.

Also with new jobs and jobs perks being added. I'm sure ''PVP'' will be more do able for the small amount of players that actually wish to partake in such a peasant activity.

 

If youre going to be disrespectful, Ill delete the entire convo.

 

I'm not being disrespectful I'm expression my opinion. If players find such words disrespectful then maybe they should go see how the real world works. I'm not going to baby sit my opinions so that they are healthy for every single individual.

We're having a simple conversation that has no required need for staff intervention. It only becomes a problem when you make it one.

 

This is sending me a message that villager trading is not possible in vanilla.

Emeralds are not very common to get, either.

One gigantic contradiction

He mentioned, IIRC, that iron golem farm nerfing in particular would be a waste of tech time, which is 100% true.

Villager trading leads to nothing mattering? Weird, I can begin listing all the items/things that have value that have NOTHING to do with villager trading, and that won't be affected by villager trading either.

My point in saying this, since I'm the one who had said it, is that Ebooks are already not a good reason to be saying what you're saying about villager trading ruining the eco.

I'm 100% aware this is what you meant, and that's why I said "logging on and off of it". I made it clear that I was understanding what you said.

This is the most blatantly stupid thing I've ever read on the forums, and that's coming from me being here in 2013.

This entire time you've been making everything seem so simple. Effective villager farming is not just breeding 2 villagers and making huge profit, lol. It's the same thing with how people think iron golem farms are absolutely devastating. Farming for money effectively takes lots of time, time that people don't spend only to realize it was all a WASTE of said time.

You're a joke.


Learn what you're talking about before you speak, and stop throwing around things such as blaming the entire server being deleted on an admin that's doing (from what I've gotten) the best he can ATM. Learn how to be respectful, and learn how to not go into a manlet rage whenever you're proven wrong, or whenever someone says something you don't agree with.

 

Theirs no need for disrespect as I mentioned. You dont need to "Babysit" your opinion but you also dont need to be a disrespectful bigot.

Theirs no need for this type of communication about minecraft villagers.

 

Regardless. Villager Trading/Breeding Destroys Minecraft server Economies. Go ahead and allow players to infinitely breeding villagers resulting in server crashes/lagging and the decrease in some items values.

The evidence has already been shown from previous generations of MeepCraft that villagers destroy the economy. If everybody could buy a 2017 Nissan GTX then where does it's value go? It's goes down due to the large increase of the vehicle being widely affordable. And in hindsight is no longer and demanding product.

The game itself has a limited amount of items that are hard to obtain. Villager trading/Breeding only more negatively impacts this.

And yes, I personally believe Klutch 'deleted the server'. That is my own personal opinion. Is he going to ban me for expressing my opinions and beliefs? The probability is high, because such ideas and beliefs shouldn't be expressed. It's like a communist country where you're not allowed to think for yourself anymore. I believe this due to the weird timing of such a absolutely horrible event even taking place. Also how does a Tech have the power to delete the entire server? It's kind of strange once you start to think about it. But wait, don't start to think about anything weird going on because you'll be silenced via ban so no one else can catch onto what you're thinking. Also the facts that Klutch has been wanting to for months to delete Alpha and Beta and literally start from scratch. But such a process as he's said would take months of preparation. Why not just delete the entire server itself, plan someone who doesn't even exist for all we know and start from scratch.

Don't get me wrong I would of personally loved a new Era of this server, but the fact that in my opinion it's being covered up as a screw up is cowardly.

But hey, that's just my thought on such a topic that has such a slippery slope. Also the longer the server is down. The least amount of players you're going to over all have. It's better to get the server up and running as soon as possible with minimal errors as possible otherwise the player base is going to shrink even more. (No that's not a freaking threat, I'm just legitimately saying, t hat's how it works)

 

I'm not crying about anything. I'm just saying that bringing ebooks back might revitalize pvp. If the architects are going to expend a bunch of effort to build a new terrarium, it might as well be used, right?

I think we should remove /warp wild. It introduces a bunch of diamonds into the economy and ruins their value. In fact we should only make diamonds buyable for 500k each at /warp shop, because we need to artificially and pointlessly inflate their value.

Right. My point is that mob farms make it more difficult to grind. If it's more difficult to grind, then there's going to be more of a demand for ebooks.

Hm, I think we should just have a world with nothing but bedrock. If anything is obtainable it makes their value worthless. You can literally say the same thing with any item that's obtainable in /warp wild.

You're being a **** to Klutch. He's giving it everything he's got, and you're just being a ****. stop it.

 

Where do you get your information from? Villagers havnt been breedable in 2 years.

 

The game itself doesn't nerf villager trading or breeding though, does it?!??!?

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Also, like I said earlier, ebooks stimulate god armor/weapon trade, which in turn revitalizes pvp. That in turn drives diamond trade, since diamond armor quickly wears out in battle.

Nobody right now pvps because the server environment isn't conducive to pvp.

 

And you haven't been and Admin for 2 years. There's a reason why they're no longer breedable. It's because they destroyed the economy.

 

Thanks for the information. . . . ? Dont remember talking about enabling it. Lol

 

Great idea on the diamond thing, but let me explain this even more. Diamonds actually take time to acquire, and they actually take an items durability to get. I thought that was common sense, but I actually have to explain this also. With Villager trading you can easily trade a few emeralds for diamond tools/diamond armor instead of actually going to mine them, or buy them from players/donor shop.

Yes the mob farm thing is right.

Also another great idea on the bedrock (I know you're being sarcastic, but I'm sure you wouldn't realize this so I'm also explaining that to you.) You have to physically put in effort to get items in the server. But with villager trading, you're cutting that time window by half, which results in a large amount of that item being brought into the server decreasing it's overall value. It's not fun if all you have to do is click a button to get what you want. What's the point?

Also the thing about Klutch is what I personally feel. I'm stating it's fact, it's just what I believe. And if you can't handle that then I don't know what to tell you.

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Please don't! Look Klutch I'm not trying to say you're not doing a good job. You're probably one of the best Admins we've had on the server ever that is actually doing anything on the server. . . ever. But the thing about the server mysteriously being 'deleted' by a person who doesn't exist is to far fetched for me. I'm not saying you did actually delete the server, I'm just saying with everything going on and how you've been acting it's hard for me not to believe that you did in fact delete the server for a fresh start. Which in the communities stand point was an excellent investment via the server. The large influx of random players having monopolies over others. Players who haven't logged onto the server for 34+ days having 10mil+ meebles in their bank accounts. Also the headphone wiring mess of the coding for all of the plug-ins and mini-games.

It's a good thing we're having a fresh start. I just wish we knew more about how the server was just ''mysteriously'' deleted and guess what, we'll have downloads available for anybody who wants to download it themselves. It's just all around strange to me.