Is America headed for another civil war?

Why stupidity
I would move there because Texas could defend itself because well most people got guns there

 

Actually, by the numbers, California is the best choice. It has access to the ocean, a decent amount of guns (not as high a ratio as other states though), and a virtually endless population (30,000,000). Texas would be the next choice though, as without proper supplies, it would be really difficult to invade because of the weather and the vast distances.

 

I do not see a civil war happening sometime soon since there was already one this year.

 

The last American civil war was, like, 150 years ago...

 

Captain America Civil War...

 

heh lol I didn't watch it

 

Neither but I was hoping someone would get the refference haha

 

Our current military is way too large for any group of citizens to start a civil war. The biggest thing you could have is an armed revolt, and maybe a firefight until some marines show up with apaches backing them. If there were to be any chance of a civilian army overthrowing the government, you would need (possibly multiple) major foreign powers stepping in. However, China's economy depends so heavily on our own in commerce and savings bonds that backing a war to destroy the very government that owes it such large amounts of money would be a terrible decision. Russia, although Putin may talk about hating western civilization and wanting the glory of the USSR restored, their economy cannot hold the brunt force of such a war. North Korea is a joke, basically. And most of Europe would back the United States government for economic reasons as well.
As for violence between liberals and conservatives, this has always been a problem, and with candidates like Hilary and Trump it has only grown worse as both of their campaigns have been built on attacks to rally support. On a side note a guy like John Kasich who is more in the middle of a moderate conservative would be great for uniting both parties and eliminating some of the tension between polarized politics.
And no, Texas would be very quick to fall as it is the perfect place to combine a ground force along the landlocked borders with other states, as well as a naval presence along the Gulf. The only difficulty would be in securing the Mexican border, however a retreat across the border would be very difficult, and so it wouldn't be of upmost importance.

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Access to the ocean would be rather limited due to the high presence of naval forces around key cities. Also, in a civil war the initiator only has to hold his ground to win, while the force who wishes to reclaim the revolting land has to invade and occupy the contested territory. In this case, it would make little to no sense to leave the country and go to the Pacific Ocean.
Keep in mind that the majority of people engaged in this civil war would be radical nutcases who think that it's a plausible endeavor to take on the entire U.S. Military on their home front, meaning that the numbers of people in support of a movement like this would be rather low. Additionally, for something like this to be considered a valid movement, there has to be a very large majority of the population in it's support, otherwise it would simply be considered a cult.

 

lol

 

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We're only headed this way because we haven't been able to grasp the balance between business and government.
When you put more taxes, restrictions, requirements, ect. on businesses, your big, tax producing businesses outsource to different countries to take advantage of lower taxes, less red tape, and a better opportunity for bigger profit margins.
On the flip side, when you borrow so much money from a foreign power and print boatloads of greenbacks to avoid raising taxes, your companies generating tax revenue and creating jobs suffer as the economy steadily declines due to the dollar being worth less and less, therefore creating less opportunity for the businesses based in the United States. If businesses are allowed to flourish and grow, they create more jobs and increase output, while increasing quality of goods and overall tax revenue without raising taxes.

 

And?

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 10, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 10, 2016 ---

Look at how well our military has been doing in the Middle East. In addition, if any large scale 'revolution' started, you could probably count on a large number of deserters, because the most likely group to revolt (teaparty) shares an ideology prevalent in the military (conservative).

Besides, in this scenario, the government would be dysfunctional at best, as it'd be split just about right down the middle in terms of loyalties, aside from the president. Congress would fall apart, martial law would be declared, and that would only fuel said rebellion.

All the more reason to go for California.

What are you trying to say here?

I don't think you understand the scenario... I'll lay it out:
Things between the two ideologies (conservative and Liberal) are the worst they've been in living memory. If things continue out of control, it's entirely possible that a single event (say, a case of conservatives attacking and killing liberals for some perceived, or vice versa) would spark a wave of violence across the nation (think of all the riots and looting caused by events in Ferguson). In such a scenario, the military would be insufficient to the task of ending the violence, as there would be no 'right' or 'wrong' side. The government wouldn't even have a side.

The U.S. has never been good at much except conventional warfare, and, recently, special operations. Neither of those would be useful.

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This is true, but to do that, we'd have to lower the minimum wage to about $2/hr. Otherwise, businesses will still outsource their labor.

We could, theoretically, go isolationist. We could ban imports, which would probably drive out all the large corporations like Apple, Microsoft, McDonalds, etc., but those would be replaced by new businesses as soon as demand grew enough. This would prevent all labor from being outsourced; all goods sold in America would have been made in America, by American workers, payed the American minimum wage. Prices would be higher, but this would be balanced by the increased circulation of money, which is what an economy is based off of.

 

I think I missed the part where the minority gains enough force to control the majority. To have a civil war, you need two majorities pitted against each other, not a minority against another minority, majority, or other large power. Otherwise, it would simply be an uprising, and beyond that, a cult.

 

As to going to the Pacific Ocean, there would be absolutely no point in retreating to water as that would allow for the recapture of any contested land by the U.S. Army, and therefore they would simply be forfeiting their rebellion.

 

Why would anyone retreat to the water?

 

You asked, that based on current events, if I thought that a civil war was possible. For reasons explained, I have no indication whatsoever that a civil war is possible to start let alone be a plausible enough idea to catch on. Furthermore, a single event would not be nearly enough to start a civil war. It took hundreds of years of the American-African slave trade with decades of politics divided by slavery, along with economic dependence on the institution, in order to start the American civil war. Nothing, not even a full out ban on firearms, has the political force to drive citizens into an uprising against the government.

As for the government, it would always have a side. The military would be called, in any case, to break up large scale violence, along with local police forces, to arrest violent and criminal offenders.

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In a case such as this, any "large enough to be called an army" army would have both ideologues who will fight to the death, and those who would rather flee or surrender. A retreat on land would be rather hard pressed to pull off as a ground front would push California's borders to storm a rebellion, while a retreat on water would be the last resort to those pinned against the ocean. However, there problem here, is that the naval presence would be quite large, along with the fact that one would always have to return to land, and with facial recognition and border patrols, escape from authorities would be practically impossible

 

No, I actually asked if a civil war is possible in the future if the current divides between the two major political factions continue to grow.

Not at the moment, but if the current divides between the two major political factions continue to grow, it may be.

I refer you to the American War for Independence (essentially a civil war).

In fact, it's government actions (or lack thereof) that start revolutions/uprisings.

 

So this is a conspiracy theory, with speculations being as far as 200 years down the road, with little to no evidence to support it

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 10, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 10, 2016 ---

In that case, no. If there is no current indication that things can get that far out of hand, then we are not headed to a civil war.

 

Ah, I see where the confusion is coming from.

The whole "Go to which state" thing was a separate thing, that is, the idea that an entire state would separate, and enter a state of war with either the U.S., or other separating states.

The original scenario was a deep rift between liberals and conservatives causing widespread violence and, finally, anarchy, the collapse of the government as we know it, and quite possibly, the destruction of the U.S.

As to the separating state scenario: If the U.S decided to invade, no single state could oppose the military. Perhaps a coalition of states.

State vs. State, California would probably be the best choice, due to the greater population.

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The death of one person caused this:
And others like it.

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Ooh and in Baltimore: