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Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Debates' started by intrepid, Mar 24, 2016.

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Clinton or Trump?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    15.4%
  2. Donald Trump

    40.4%
  3. I'm moving to Canada

    44.2%
  1. _Chef_Carrott_

    _Chef_Carrott_ Popular Meeper

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    smh this is why I should be president
     
  2. zsuzsu1

    zsuzsu1 Popular Meeper

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    Tbh yes you can. Your parents will probably move here too, so….
     
  3. TheDebatheist

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    If that isn't a leading question, I don't know what is.

    Hillary, every time.

    She's corrupt, power-hungry and a serial liar.

    But?

    1) She knows what she's doing. Decades of political experience. Trump clearly does not. Any attempted in-depth interview shows his gross ignorance.

    2) She can compramise with congress and actually get s**t done. A self-professed 'moderate'. While Trump has claimed that he can do this too, I worry about his desire to do so when he can't get his own way. His professed 'tactics' regarding the Iran deal, and Mexico? It's political extortion.

    3) The addition she'll make to the Supreme Court will be huge. We could get a few major decisions overturned by having 5 liberal judges on the bench. While Trump would appoint the most liberal SC-judge out of the GOP candidates, Hillary will go one better.

    4) She is the epitome of a political weathervane. It doesn't show good decision-making, leadership, or trustworthiness. But she will pander to the American people. In a democracy, this is usually seen as a pretty good thing! Trump clearly doesn't feel this way. It's his way, or the high way.

    5) She's got pretty thick skin. Years of Republican scrutiny, still standing. Trump has proposed new libel laws based on what he deems... "unfair". He's constantly issuing threats, throws a hissy fit whenever he's pressed hard on positions he holds, and cannot 'let things go' without getting the last word in (see: Look at those hands).

    TL;DR -- I hate Hillary, but she'll do a much better job than Trump. It's more of the same, and it won't be revolutionary, but it's still almost guaranteed progress. Trump's just a wild-card, because he has little to no clue what he's doing.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 29, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 29, 2016 ---
    Then don't be.

    I side with the experts where possible.

    These are a tad off, to me. The bookmakers have it closer to 70% for Trump and 90% for Clinton atm.

    http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-republican-nomination
     
  4. Skaros123

    Skaros123 Otaku Wooden Hoe

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    Donald Trump just needs to not lose any momentum from here until the last primary. Otherwise, it will be a brokered convention. Experts like from the FiveThirtyEight say it's too soon to call whether or not Trump will get the 1237 delegates needed for a nomination. There's some states he can't afford to lose.
     
  5. TheDebatheist

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    Chance he gets to 1237 + Chance he gets close enough for it to be near impossible for him to be denied the nomination + Chance that he's able to make himself more appealing than Cruz if Trump only gets ~1000 delegates or so.

    These are people (in my link) that make their entire living making accurate predictions. The overwhelming consensus seems to be that Trump is extremely likely to get it. Just because he'll end up with 1100-1200, and it will be very hard for enough delegates to rally around Cruz (who the establishment hates anyway).
     
  6. _Gimble_1.

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    @Skaros123 I know we have very different opinions on most controversial topics but I can stand proudly with you and agree wholeheartedly on this.
     
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  8. TheDebatheist

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    I hate to be so blunt, but that link is poor.

    According to expert predictions, Clinton is 90% to beat Sanders, and 70%+ to beat Trump if they both win their respective nominations.
     
  9. Ethio

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    #MakeCanadaGreatAgain
     
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  10. benster82

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    This is why the American people cannot be trusted to vote for their own president.
     
  11. TNT404

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    Rocky Anderson is where the real 3rd party is at
     
  12. evilalec555

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    Trump all the way

    kids what the media says to you is nearly all lies find out and hunt for the truth
     
  13. TheDebatheist

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    You're not even old enough to vote! Haha

    You'll find more truth in a Fortune Cookie, than listening to a Donald Trump speech. He didn't even know what the Nuclear Triad was.
     
  14. TheDebatheist

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    I'm with you, on everything you've said. Bar the conclusion.

    Freedom of Speech and Political Correctness could be the defining issues of the upcoming generation. Absolutely. But there are a LOT of important issues that face the American people, lest we forget, the Western world in general. Trump gets 1 or 2 important issues right for every 10 he gets wrong. We're talking about (arguably) the most important job in the world. Trump or Hillary (potentially Bernie or Cruz) will have their fingers on 'The Button'. Plus, they'll be governing everything from; the economy, to social issues, to diplomatic relations with foreign nations, to education, etc.

    I despise political correctness. If Trump truly was a defender of FoS/FoE, then it might turn my head enough to give him a serious look. But he isnt! EVEN for all of his anti-PC bluster. He's publicly espoused his desire to control the free-press. Saying that he wants to crank up the libel laws in the U.S. He even makes his campaign volunteers sign a document, that prevents them from saying anything negative about Trump, period.

    Not to mention, he has incredibly thin skin. Which doesn't mix well with FoS/FoE anyway. Hillary, corrupt and dishonest as she is, has the thickest skin that any nominee has had in... a long time. She's faced decades of Republican attacks. Been involved in multiple personal and political scandals. She won't make rash decisions, because Putin says that her hair looks fake. Trump though? I wouldn't put it past him.
     
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    Whaaaaaaa...?
     
  16. evilalec555

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    If you're going to quote me quote everything I say not just one word :)
     
  17. TheDebatheist

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    The only bit I was replying to, was only worthy of a one word quote. The rest was redundant. I just found it funny how you referred to others as kids, despite not being old enough to vote.
     
  18. TimtheFireLord

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    Everything you say is very frustrating
     
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  19. evilalec555

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    At least I'm not a 25 year old that argues with kids
     
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  20. TheDebatheist

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    What's wrong with that?

    I've met some incredibly smart kids. People who are way smarter than I was at their age. WAY smarter.

    I care about improving myself and others. Don't like it? Tell me why. But you're promoting some sort of disturbing ageism here. That 24yo's should not argue with their juniors. I'm not that arrogant. Kids have great ideas. I want to listen.
     
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