The Ideal Terrarium

With the help of @Foretvert, and a couple of other PvPers, we have come up with a thread that gives the perspective of the Ideal Terrarium. Despite appreciating the opinions of non-pvpers, we would prefer that only those that actively pvp to reply here, seeing as only those that actively pvp will be pvping here. We realize that the new Terrarium was implemented a short while ago and realize that it will probably stay that way until spawn updates, however, we would appreciate this thread being taken into serious consideration.


In order to make this as simple as possible everything will be displayed in bulleted format.


Terrain

A pvp arena should focus on functionality over aesthetics. As such, it would is extremely advised that the Architect that builds this have knowledge about PvP. Simply, the following items below should be included.

• Flat with minimal hills no taller than three blocks high
  
  
• Make sure there is a lot of open space to fight in
  
  
• A few structures that do not get in the way are fine
  
  
• No vines, no cobwebs, minimal water, minimal lava as these impede the movements of players

Latency

PvP is perhaps one of the most underrated forms of lag in Minecraft. Due to this, PvP arenas should be optimized to present the most smooth and lag free experience possible. Below are ways to achieve this.

• An arena with fewer blocks to be rendered is ideal. As such, maps with fewer structures and terrain are preferred
  
  
• Move the Terrarium far away from spawn but still in the spawn world so the rest of the blocks in spawn won’t need to be rendered
  
  
• Otherwise, move the Terrarium to its own world or on its own server and give it its own /g tag
  
  
• Create a Terrarium portal in spawn akin to that of /warp dungeon
  
  
• This should also help eliminate cases of new players randomly wandering into the Terrarium

Combat Tag

There has been much contention between pvpers and the rest of the community about escape methods from the Terrarium. Generally speaking, a player should commit to fighting once they jump into the Terrarium. Granted, there are exceptions like when a player suddenly becomes doubled-teamed when they expected a 1v1, but this will be addressed in “Rules.” We propose that a Terrarium only plugin, similar to the existing combat log plugin, be created to do the following.

• Once a player enters combat, they are tagged as being in combat
  
  
• During this time, no commands may be used (as it is currently)
  
  
• After perhaps 15 or 30 seconds, a message will pop up in chat stating that the player is no longer tagged and may warp out
  
  
• If not too difficult to incorporate, create a message in chat that can be clicked to warp to spawn once the player is no longer tagged
  
  
• Normal escape methods should just be removed

Rules

The current set of rules and permissions in the Terrarium should be modified to the following.

• Disabled potions are Invisibility, Poison I & II, and Strength II
  
  
• Ender Peals should remain disabled
  
  
• Camping the Terrarium portal is illegal, likewise with /warp dungeon
  
  
• Combat logging will automatically kill a player
  
  
• Any hack, third party application, macro or other utility used to gain an unfair advantage over another player is illegal and will result in a perm ban

Teaming

Teaming, while fun to do, generally discourages solo players from entering the Terrarium. Therefore, we propose the following.

• Teams of no more than 2 players are legal in the Terrarium
  
  
• Any more members will result in a string of punishments that increase in severity depending on the offense number
  
  
• If players teamed in chat, a screenshot is all that is required for proof. Otherwise, video evidence is necessary
  
  
• Betrayals are legal

Current Issues

The following are issues regarding available permissions and protections on the current Terrarium that need to be removed.

• Remove /repair and /repair all
  
  
• Anticheat needs to be improved from what it already is: excessive hacking is too prevalent

In closure, we suggest the above things in order to revive PvP at the Terrarium. For those that ask, KitPvP is great for the players that don’t want to be too serious about PvP and don’t want to lose their items. The purpose of the Terrarium is to obtain PvP materials for personal use or for selling and to experience god fights. This is the place for competitive PvP and it’s a truly a shame to see its decline. Furthermore, we thank you all for taking the time to seriously consider these points. Please leave your opinions, especially if you actively PvP here.


Thanks again!

 

The type of terrarium I want :

 

I found a few flaws in this suggestion.

Wouldn't this actually cause more lag with the chunks that would need to be loaded? What would we do with the space that the arena was in?

I don't know, unless that player has iron armor and doesn't want to get slaughtered by another player with enchanted diamond armor.

30 seconds is wayy too long. Players who get killed could easily go in and reset their timer with a single punch. This would be especially inconvenient if the new arena also goes with:

And the player can't even hide when its extremely flat like you mentioned earlier.

This could lead to incredible toxicity if two players are on a team, but another teammate jumps in and one has to be betrayed.

If you mean take out the command itself, most of the donors are going to be mad.
If you mean take out the "limited item" tag upon entering the arena, that's going to be abused.

This is my main issue with this. How is pvp going to not decline if:

There's nowhere for citizens to hide when they see a player with enchanted diamond armor? They probably won't jump if they see the diamond guy lurking around

Newbs will have difficulty escaping? They probably won't want to get in at all

Citizens can't even find the arena? How would pvp grow if few players are going to find the arena, and even fewer are going to stay?

I'm at a big -1 here.

 

Leodavinci, You dont know what PvPers want. We/PvPers just want a flat arena so we can fight better than going in water or lava. If you go in terrarium, it means you're willing to die because its a PvP arena. So If you dont want to die, then dont go in .
+1

 

@leodavinci9000 you keep saying "what will citizens do if they can't hide" but I can't stress this enough, if that you jump in the terrarium with iron armor, you will probably die to a god person, no matter what you want. No matter if 'they just want to collect stuff' or 'want to kill other irons', its THEIR OWN RISK. If you jump down into the terrarium you put your entire inventory at risk. +1

 

Not client side as players would have fewer blocks that they need to render. The most ideal solution for the placement of the the Terrarium would be on its own server, but if that's not a possibility, its own world. Likewise, if that's not possible, being placed away from the rest of spawn is better for the reason stated above.

Why on earth would a competitive pvper enter the Terrarium with anything but god gear? This is should be the place for competitive pvp, whereas those that aren't inclined to pvp should go to kit. One simply can't hope to win anything with iron armor, so there's not really a point to Terrarium for them.

This is the point, being able to easily escape really not the goal here. Again, this is competitive pvp, where players agree to go in knowing they might lose.

I'm confused here, why would a teammate have to be betrayed? Trucing is fine, which I define as simply not attacking another player. Teaming, defined as multiple players attacking another player without attacking each other is not cool. Knowing this rule, the teammate shouldn't jump in. Lastly, "incredible toxicity?" Don't throw that word around just because you've heard it used with PvP.

This section is simply listing the current bugs that need to be fixed in Terrarium. Currently, /repair and /repair all function in Terrarium. This capability needs to be removed here.

Simply put, the Terrarium should be there for competitive pvp only. New competitive players are made by first learning to pvp, which could be done at /warp kitpvp. These new suggestions are made trying to draw existing pvpers towards becoming more competitive.

 

I still think there should be a ladder.

If we drop the level of pvp, to make the ladders longer and harder to escape out of, we won't have as many people running out. Similar to how it was with the arena under spawn. But the reason i think there should be ladders are simple.

If someone just finishes a 1v1, they have got the opponents loot, but no helmets and armour on low, they don't want to hang around, waiting for somehody to jump them. So if there is a ladder they can get out much easier.

 

I don't pvp much but am good at it, so I will +1 all of these

 

Simple, iron armor costs less and is still useful against other players (non-god, of course). Once I came in with a stone sword and a hat and looted an 11 attack damage iron sword, which I used to get diamond armor from another guy.

So what would happen if on a report, the people being reported say they were actually "truced"? That would make it difficult to tell if they were really "truced" or were actually teamed. If players are going to try to avoid any doubts, they'd either have to leave if a third teammate jumps in (not likely), tell the player to leave (also not likely that the player would listen), or drive them off. This could lead to problems. quick fyi, I've never seen the word "toxicity" used with pvp.

But they won't get the same kind of loot as you get in kitpvp. In the arena, you can get heads, materials, better weapons, etc., from other non-god players, but you won't get that in kitpvp. Also, most of the kits in kitpvp are nothing like the kinds of armor and weapons you'll encounter in the arena.

One more thing I should have brought up in my first post,
If you guys want to have your own arena so badly, why don't you guys just make your own /pwarp? Most of you guys definitely have enough meebles to do so, and it wouldn't have any newbs randomly walk in.

 

Best thing I have read on these forums.

 

The terrarium wasn't intended for new players to keep jumping into, it's for competitive PvP. I wouldn't dream of heading in there without a god set. And yes, you're right, the new players won't get the same loot in kitpvp. They get money from it though and if they're good enough and would like to take pvp more seriously, they'd save up money to buy a god set to take to terrarium and continue to learn from there. Trust me. We've thought of making our own pwarp for pvp way too many times. The problem is, where would we make it? Towny is way too laggy, wild has anti-xray making it really laggy too. We used to have /t spawn pure but that fell. How will we make our /pwarp as well-known as terrarium? Terrarium is right in spawn and convenient (and laggy sometimes) so it's optimal over the /pwarp in towny.

 

No fishing in the terrarium is not a terrarium worth using so

 

I would definitely rather have a ladder that is hard to escape out of then the combat log thing. It would be very annoying to see a god in pvp, pot up, and then just logging out because tgey haven't been hit by another player.
I also think that the team thing should be at least up to 3 players. Overall this is one of the best threads made for pvp.

 

I agreed about the ladder that is hard to escpabe but if the combat log is removed, then people will just keep on logging off while in combat like Jonnehboii and the people who is scared of pvping.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 22, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 22, 2015 ---

I also think if you log off while in combat, you also get banned and you die too, because if dying while logging wouldnt give people a lesson.

 

+1

I think ladders are ok, they just need to be harder to scape from. Maybe allow enderpearls?

 

Enderpearls would allow ppl to be wimps and just quit whenever they have low health -1 on enderpearls

 

Guys I have an idea that has NEVER been thought of before. Staff I hope you're listening for this big surprise!!!!! Bring back the first terrarium (the 4 biome terrarium with 1 ladder). I'm glad I thought of this because I have not heard 90% of pvpers saying that they want old terrarium back.

 

I like the old one with the basement of lava falling down. Nice and cramped so I can beat my enemies to pulps

 

It'd be uber cool if the terrarium was created by the players. You don't need the PVP arena to look fantastic to be functional, right?

 

If it was meant for competitive PVP, then Fuzzlr wouldn't have built a tunnel that led new players at spawn straight to the arena.

First of all, it would take a really long time for anyone to afford a god set from 50 meebles per kill. They would have to get at least 1500-2000 kills just to afford 1 god set. Also, once again, the kits in kitpvp are nothing like the types of weapons, armor, and other things you'll see in the arena, especially the gapples and potions that some people use. I wouldn't waste so much money on a god set just to lose it quickly.

If it worked once, I'm pretty sure it could work again. Once again, I'm pretty sure some of you guys have enough meebles to create your own dream arena in a town.

Easy, just name it something like /pwarp godfight, /pwarp godarena, /pwarp hardcorepvp, and then advertise it on both shout and forums.