Gay Rights

Let me put this in context...

Let's say Jane wants to marry Jim. And Mike wants to marry Jim. But the only reason that Mike can't marry Jim is because he is a man. But Jane can because she is a women. Isn't that gender discrimination?

Supreme court said this yay

 

This thread is so gay
Sorry I had to say it xD

 

why are we talking about such a serious topic on forums for Minecraft?

 

Since you don't like the Old Testament... http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html

 

After reading a lot of these comments. I came to the conclusion that no matter what any Christian/religion that refers to the bible, or says that being gay is wrong. That nobody that has found Christ in their lives will ever see that being gay is a sin. IF you have found Christ, and continue to live with the word close to your heart than great! You have done well. Being gay is wrong. Even though the bible says stone them, we can't do that. That is why Jesus gave his life for every man/woman, so that they can repent for the sins that they have committed. I will admit i have done some pretty bad things. I also have repented for them.

I'm not trying to make anyone mad. This is just the truth.

 

Honestly you should just try it.

 

Supreme Court said something similar, but I'm 99% sure that the justice who asked that question will vote against SSM. Justice Roberts likes to be the middle man in things, so I'm not surprised he would stir up questions on both sides.

I've been following up on the court cases for same-sex marriage ever since the end of 2013, and I must say it is a pretty close one. It will definitely be a 5-4 vote, one way or the other...

 

means a lot bro.

 

Praise!

 

We can be serious even on a forum for Minecraft. So what if we want to have a (mostly) intelligent conversation? Most of the time, people who aren't serious about replying get weeded out when their trolling is ignored.

A thread with a good topic is not dead, and I don't even consider bringing it back a necro as long as people are willing to bring the conversation back up

I am personally agnostic. I have nothing against religion, but I dislike when people use their religion as an excuse to say that someone, another person, that because of who they love, is 'wrong'. People are people regardless of sexual orientation, you know.

You are going so far as to say that they should 'repent their sins' and that 'the bible says stone them but we can't'. Is it really a sin for one man to love another, or one woman to love another? What about bisexuality? Is that person only sinning when they are dating someone of the same gender?

'It's the truth' is a completely blanket statement. It may seem like the 'truth' to you, but to me, saying that any sexuality other than hetero is a 'sin' and is inherently 'wrong' is just bigoted and silly to me.

Are you telling me that if you saw a heterosexual man abusing a woman and being awful to the people around him, then saw two homosexual men who loved eachother and were extremely good to everyone, you would consider the heterosexual man less of a sinner? How much does a sin weigh? Is the heterosexual man worse because he actually ruins people's lives, or are the homosexual men worse, because they love eachother?

 

I have no problem saying Hitler was wrong according to my religious beliefs.

He's not exactly supposed to weigh the sins; likewise he is not supposed to judge anyone else based on their sins, so I'm curious as to how he'll answer this

 

Ah, I'm a little tired, I messed up in that first quote; I meant 'someone, another person, that because of who they love, is 'wrong'.' Sorry!

I'm also honestly curious if the Bible mentions anything specific about transgenderism. What if someone who is biologically a male identifies as female and loves a man? Do you consider that just as wrong?

 

The day that someone is able to preform open heart surgey using the bible as their only source of information is the day I throw out every bit of technology I own and start praying to Jeebus while on my knees every time I get an owie.

 

I personally am all for it not just because I have family members and friends that are in same sex relationships but because nothing bad will happen from it. They are more polite and respectful then you religion preachers out there, which is majority % of the people against it.

I shall just leave it at that everything else I said was under the heat.

 

This is a generalization. 'They' are people in same-sex relationships, right? You realize that people who are not heterosexual do have the ability to be angry and vindictive as well? They may have better reasons for it (bullying, etc) but a fair amount of people who are in the LGBTQ+ community are quite rude to heterosexual people. The hatred does not go only one way.

This entire paragraph bothers me. Not everyone believes in their religion for those reasons, and not every religion against homosexuality is from a Bible or otherwise. I do agree that people tend to be hypocritical and pick and choose what they want to follow from their 'books', but it is uncalled for to call their religion 'false' just because you don't believe it, and essentially telling them to gtfo. A majority of arguments against the LGBQT+ community and same-sex marriage laws do include some degree of discussion about religion, so saying that they are completely separate topics is completely ludicrous.

Not everyone is able to so quickly drop beliefs that were pretty much bred into them. Some people would be literally disowned from their family if they so much as said anything about supporting LGBQT+, let alone if they said they themselves were homosexual or otherwise. People don't live in the box you create for them, and not everyone's life is the same as your's or your friend's. You are essentially accusing people of not being open-minded enough, but at the same time are being extremely close-minded yourself.

quote="Kling, post: 471397, member: 32878"]The people that thought the world would be under chaos when black people got equal rights, did it? No because people with these beliefs about colour, nationality, gender, and gender preference not as equals already started the chaos in this tainted society.[/quote]
I do agree that society is pretty tainted at times, but it's not exclusively caused by bigots and racists.

 

This perfectly sums up all the issues I have with religious qualms with homosexuality. You're judging someone on an attribute of themselves that doesn't affect you in any way, rather than who they are as a person and the impact they have on the world around them. "They are slanderers"? Bit ironic there I think.

 

I know plenty of people who use the Bible (mainly Republicans, obv) to explain why gay marriage shouldn't be legal. Throwing around the 'Good News' in political debates. I find this to be folly because you can say it's unnatural all you want, but if you were in office you wouldn't be able to quote Leviticus nearly as much as you'd like. Simply using it to explain why you disagree is fine, but from a political standpoint you're going to need a lot more gumption.

My 7th grade religion teacher explained it really well, and wasn't rude about it at all; about how it wasn't a choice, but that people like that were supposed to abstain from homosexual acts. Also that it could be forgiven as any other sin could, if the person so chose to ask forgiveness for it sincerely. Ironically, she worded it as if there wasn't any possibility that any of us were gay, however at least I and two others who were in that class are.

And, of course, there's a passage in the Gospel of John when the Jews/Pharisees want to stone an adulteress woman, and Jesus intervenes. He says something along the lines of 'May the one without sins throw the first stone.' The crowd then dissipates, because everyone is a sinner. So that's kind of why I think condemning others for being homosexual is wrong, at least for people who follow the Bible. (That's like, full on condemnation though. My religion teacher also wisely said that if someone is sinning, you should tell them why its wrong, but not force them to change.)

I'm agnostic now, and figured that out about the same time I figured out I was bi. So all those religion classes from elementary through high school didn't really do me much good. Does that mean I didn't retain a bunch of unneeded knowledge? No way

 

This was put very beautifully, thank you.

I think I would have wanted to meet your religion teacher, because mine once made my friend cry in class when she said that 'Atheists can't celebrate Christmas or go to Catholic schools because they are Atheist', then went on to say that if someone is Atheist at a young age, they aren't really Atheist, because they are too naive to know their own beliefs yet.

Talk about hypocritical.

All that aside, I think the way you worded that your teacher 'wisely said if someone is sinning, you should tell them why it's wrong, but not force them to change' is a little off, because I think it should be more 'you should tell them why you think it's wrong'. Because something like this is only wrong from the perspective of the person who says it is, it isn't necessarily 'wrong'.

 

The irony is real, especially since in the NT, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" (Matthew 7:3) Basically, don't judge others. Love them the way Jesus loved you, etcetc. This goes for at least Christianity.

Coming from a Catholic school kid of 11 years, I feel you, though for us it was mostly the kids that were intolerant. The teachers were all pretty good.