Xray or no Xray?

Summers

Hey guys, Im bored and curious to see what you think of the evidence shown from the 2 videos that were posted on Izzxt's ban appeal thread.
IzzSt - Ban Appeal

In my humble opinion, if those two videos are the only evidence against Izzst, than there is not enough evidence or any evidence at all of Xraying and I believe a mistake was made. Thoughts?

Epicdude141

Yeah watching those back I didn't see any evidence of xraying

Silver01

he literally just explored a mineshaft and then mined in one direction. He turns once, and he gets back to a mineshaft pretty quickly, but he mined parallel to that mineshaft for a while, so if he really wanted to be efficient he'd go straight to the mineshaft. It's clearly not xraying

whoisnate

doesn’t seem like xray to me at least not something so blatant it cant be explained by just lucky tunneling. could they be xraying? maybe but nothing in either of those videos seems like anything more than just luck

Thee Boss

Very weak evidence. They let legitimate xrayers off with a slap on the wrist because they kissed up but someone who legitimately didn’t X-ray is kept banned lmao

Deljikho

I haven't been staff in years, but it's amazing how that modreq sound sticks with you. I haven't heard it in so long, but as soon as I heard the ding I reactively felt like I had to do /check

IzzSt

IFartOnChilren

doesn’t seem like xray to me at least not something so blatant it cant be explained by just lucky tunneling. could they be xraying? maybe but nothing in either of those videos seems like anything more than just luck
~ @whoisnate

Lucky tunneling is highly unlikely. I want to believe it isn’t x-ray, but after going through the video I’ll put in some context.

When using x-ray, it is likely that the user will be looking around for ores through surfaces. Although yes, he did mine a lot of exposed ore, he happened to mine a handful of unexposed ore. And every time he did that “lucky tunneling” it led to ore. Here are some times that made me believe it was x-ray.

At 1:54 he was looking down through the ground for a longer than normal period of time for ores.

The giveaway was between 4:23-4:33 where you can see that he has stopped for a longer than normal period of time to look at a vein of ore. He then shuts his client off to see where he is going and goes immediately to it and mines it. It was unexposed and this part of the clip looks especially fishy

4:42. He stops again and shifts, most likely mis-clicking and turns a client on/off. Turns around and mines unexposed ore.

5:06: mines more unexposed ore

At this point in time, the two rarest ores in the game were diamond, which he had an abundance of, and coal. In this video he mined 3 veins of unexposed coal in 40 seconds. This is either a case of an unlikely string of lucky mining, or Izzst wasn’t being careful enough hiding his client. I think the timeframe from 4:20-5:15 is alarming.

whoisnate

Lucky tunneling is highly unlikely. I want to believe it isn’t x-ray, but after going through the video I’ll put in some context.
When using x-ray, it is likely that the user will be looking around for ores through surfaces. Although yes, he did mine a lot of exposed ore, he happened to mine a handful of unexposed ore. And every time he did that “lucky tunneling” it led to ore. Here are some times that made me believe it was x-ray.
At 1:54 he was looking down through the ground for a longer than normal period of time for ores.
The giveaway was between 4:23-4:33 where you can see that he has stopped for a longer than normal period of time to look at a vein of ore. He then shuts his client off to see where he is going and goes immediately to it and mines it. It was unexposed and this part of the clip looks especially fishy
4:42. He stops again and shifts, most likely mis-clicking and turns a client on/off. Turns around and mines unexposed ore.
5:06: mines more unexposed ore
At this point in time, the two rarest ores in the game were diamond, which he had an abundance of, and coal. In this video he mined 3 veins of unexposed coal in 40 seconds. This is either a case of an unlikely string of lucky mining, or Izzst wasn’t being careful enough hiding his client. I think the timeframe from 4:20-5:06 is alarming.
~ @IFartOnChilren

I dont have a pc to play on rn so im unfamiliar with the ore gen on extreme, and this points out a lot of things i couldn’t pick up one without that knowledge. you’re more informed than i am so ill take ur word for it

IFartOnChilren

I dont have a pc to play on rn so im unfamiliar with the ore gen on extreme, and this points out a lot of things i couldn’t pick up one without that knowledge. you’re more informed than i am so ill take ur word for it
~ @whoisnate

Yeah I mean there’s definitely a (slim) chance that it wasn’t x-ray, and it’s a bit different than the usual case where you’d think someone who’s busted for x-ray is getting a ton of diamonds, but it was a very short amount of time to get a lot of coal, which is relatively rare in extreme. Not to mention this guys history of PvP hacking and lying about it. So I could see how it may be difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt here when knowing the context.

Silver01

Here we go

At 1:54 he was looking down through the ground for a longer than normal period of time for ores.
~ @IFartOnChilren

Looked like he went afk for a bit to me, maybe to check chat, do a command, or check tab or something.

The giveaway was between 4:23-4:33 where you can see that he has stopped for a longer than normal period of time to look at a vein of ore. He then shuts his client off to see where he is going and goes immediately to it and mines it. It was unexposed and this part of the clip looks especially fishy
~ @IFartOnChilren

Again, went afk. Also, that ore was exposed, it's just hard to see with the compression. Here's an image of one of the couple frames where you can see it was exposed. (4:31)

4:42. He stops again and shifts, most likely mis-clicking and turns a client on/off. Turns around and mines unexposed ore.
~ @IFartOnChilren

Same reason as the other two. That ore was clearly exposed, but I believe you're talking about the iron ore he finds right after. He could have used the common knowledge that iron ore can generate diagonally from each other and checked around it to find out. You can see him also do this to other veins.

Also if you think it's weird that he turned around and immediately saw it, he probably had a "wait, was that iron ore?" kind of reaction after he was done doing whatever he was doing (most likely checking something irl, opening chat for a second to do a command, or checking out tab)

5:06: mines more unexposed ore

~ @IFartOnChilren

Again, it was exposed. This one is really hard to see, but if you look at the particles that come out it's clearly coal ore, not stone that he broke first.

7acespade

~ @IzzSt

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For a serious reply, I initially thought this was clear Xray when I looked at minute 4 from 5 as suggested by @IFartOnChilren , but Silver01 was able to convince me it wasn't with some screenshots in a private discord message. All of the ores were exposed.

builderjunkie012

I'll be honest and say that I didn't watch the 2nd video after the first. But if the content of the 2nd video is anything like the first, then the videos simply aren't indicative of x-ray. Video 1 is a normal mining style, and the ores mined in that video are exposed to the surface. The angles are hard to catch, but the frame-by-frame playthrough does show exposed ore.

Toostenheimer

I honestly say no; I watched the first video but not the second, and nothing can really conclude that he was x-raying. If he was, or if he was hiding it well, it'd probably in the form of strip-mining or something similar for that matter.

xT3Kx

Here we go
Looked like he went afk for a bit to me, maybe to check chat, do a command, or check tab or something.
Again, went afk. Also, that ore was exposed, it's just hard to see with the compression. Here's an image of one of the couple frames where you can see it was exposed. (4:31)
Same reason as the other two. That ore was clearly exposed, but I believe you're talking about the iron ore he finds right after. He could have used the common knowledge that iron ore can generate diagonally from each other and checked around it to find out. You can see him also do this to other veins.
Also if you think it's weird that he turned around and immediately saw it, he probably had a "wait, was that iron ore?" kind of reaction after he was done doing whatever he was doing (most likely checking something irl, opening chat for a second to do a command, or checking out tab)
Again, it was exposed. This one is really hard to see, but if you look at the particles that come out it's clearly coal ore, not stone that he broke first.

~ @Silver01

This. Right. Here. We need to get these boys some glasses.

IFartOnChilren

Here we go
Looked like he went afk for a bit to me, maybe to check chat, do a command, or check tab or something.
Again, went afk. Also, that ore was exposed, it's just hard to see with the compression. Here's an image of one of the couple frames where you can see it was exposed. (4:31)
Same reason as the other two. That ore was clearly exposed, but I believe you're talking about the iron ore he finds right after. He could have used the common knowledge that iron ore can generate diagonally from each other and checked around it to find out. You can see him also do this to other veins.
Also if you think it's weird that he turned around and immediately saw it, he probably had a "wait, was that iron ore?" kind of reaction after he was done doing whatever he was doing (most likely checking something irl, opening chat for a second to do a command, or checking out tab)
Again, it was exposed. This one is really hard to see, but if you look at the particles that come out it's clearly coal ore, not stone that he broke first.

~ @Silver01

I was watching the clip from my phone, maybe that could have made the difference. Unfortunately his history of hacking in the past made me a bit biased and I looked at it through a different lens. If this is the only evidence, then he’s served his time and should be back in game. Like someone said above, those who xrayed and admitted to it got off after a week or two. This guys been banned for a while. Staff should do what they said they’d start doing regarding bans and have a talk with him and find a way to get him back in game. And if he did cheat in the past and fool us, odds are he’ll do it again and won’t be as lucky now that the spotlight is on him.

CluelessKlutz

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