The Unjust Return of Hornemans

alex77034

Also, transferring money between alternate accounts has been illegal for a while, so ??

lollisweet101

Also, transferring money between alternate accounts has been illegal for a while, so ??
~ @alex77034

[FONT=Tahoma]yeah, you don't just change it because of one player donating tons of money. I think Meep needs to work on the quality of the server instead of the quantity of the cash.[/FONT]

Hornemans

Hornemans has been unbanned. After numerous violations regarding alt abuse, he has miraculously returned.
~ @ekjhgekuie

Thanks for the gracious welcome back! I appreciate all of you and your support during this hard time for me. I want all to know I am doing well and will be getting back into full swing of things soon enough.

All of the staff have refused to talk about the situation.
~ @ekjhgekuie

Staff, don't talk about any bans, did you expect anything different? Contrary to popular belief, Hornemans is not that special.

Recognize... ...that he has injected more meebles in to the economy than Viperfan17 who remains banned for another form of cheating meebles in to the economy.
~ @ekjhgekuie

Viperfan (and group) was doing something very different and nothing even close to being similar.

The only way he could of gotten unbanned without an appeal is because he actually didn't do anything wrong. . .
~ @alex77034

or because he's a cousin of someone important, or because he's a girlfriend of someone important, or because he's a dad of someone important, or because he's is someone important himself, or because he owns the server, or because he's got mad monies, or because he's got mad charm, or because he's crazy smart, or... I hope you get the idea.

I have read the updated rules. Nowhere does it say why Hornemans was unbanned.
~ @ekjhgekuie

Yes it does, Global rules, Section #4 is newly added and clarifies now that basically, ANY use of alts working together is bannable. Before it just said you could not pay your main account, which Hornemans was not, All alt money stayed on an alt account (actually it's in the ground in a chest all 10 million of it), so it was not breaking the rules as Hornemans did not have the "alt monies". This has since been clarified and Hornemans now will follow the guidance given and follow the rules as they were described to him.

Also, transferring money between alternate accounts has been illegal for a while, so ??
~ @alex77034

Hornemans was not doing this, yes there were logs between accounts but it is the equivalent of buying an item from another person.

So you change a rule so you can unban a player
~ @Summers

The rules were changed to make it more clear, and thus can not truly punish someone for something that was not clearly outlined. The rule I was accused of breaking "no unfair alt advantage" is so vague it can be interpreted by any staff for any reason and be used to ban a person (which is was happened) it was discussed by all staff and even Fuzzlr himself got involved, and they made a decision (updated the rules) and unban me. I hope this clears up any rumors or untrue stores people are making up. Thanks.

ekjhgekuie

Thanks for the gracious welcome back! I appreciate all of you and your support during this hard time for me. I want all to know I am doing well and will be getting back into full swing of things soon enough.
Staff, don't talk about any bans, did you expect anything different? Contrary to popular belief, Hornemans is not that special.
Viperfan (and group) was doing something very different and nothing even close to being similar.
or because he's a cousin of someone important, or because he's a girlfriend of someone important, or because he's a dad of someone important, or because he's is someone important himself, or because he owns the server, or because he's got mad monies, or because he's got mad charm, or because he's crazy smart, or... I hope you get the idea.
Yes it does, Global rules, Section #4 is newly added and clarifies now that basically, ANY use of alts working together is bannable. Before it just said you could not pay your main account, which Hornemans was not, All alt money stayed on an alt account (actually it's in the ground in a chest all 10 million of it), so it was not breaking the rules as Hornemans did not have the "alt monies". This has since been clarified and Hornemans now will follow the guidance given and follow the rules as they were described to him.
The rules were changed to make it more clear, and thus can not truly punish someone for something that was not clearly outlined. The rule I was accused of breaking "no unfair alt advantage" is so vague it can be interpreted by any staff for any reason and be used to ban a person (which is was happened) it was discussed by all staff and even Fuzzlr himself got involved, and they made a decision (updated the rules) and unban me. I hope this clears up any rumors or untrue stores people are making up. Thanks.
~ @Hornemans

That is a nice essay. I have a question. Did you inject money in to the economy in a way that was detrimental to the server?

nokes

Hornemans - Ban Appeal

...
you sold vote keys to yourself for 2k each with the alternate accounts through your chest shop in order to obtain a ludicrous amount of vote keys which is more than what every other player obtains. Going by the Horneman statistics your chestshop buys the keys cheaper than the estimated value per key is.

~ @Kling

You may not transfer Meebles between accounts through any means; including town banks, gold blocks, and any other means.
You may not gain any kind of advantage over other players through the use of alternate accounts.

sell to yourself = transfer meeb between accounts
obtain a ludicrous amount of vote keys = gain of advantage over other players
:pompous:

ekjhgekuie

Thanks for the gracious welcome back! I appreciate all of you and your support during this hard time for me. I want all to know I am doing well and will be getting back into full swing of things soon enough.
Staff, don't talk about any bans, did you expect anything different? Contrary to popular belief, Hornemans is not that special.
Viperfan (and group) was doing something very different and nothing even close to being similar.
or because he's a cousin of someone important, or because he's a girlfriend of someone important, or because he's a dad of someone important, or because he's is someone important himself, or because he owns the server, or because he's got mad monies, or because he's got mad charm, or because he's crazy smart, or... I hope you get the idea.
Yes it does, Global rules, Section #4 is newly added and clarifies now that basically, ANY use of alts working together is bannable. Before it just said you could not pay your main account, which Hornemans was not, All alt money stayed on an alt account (actually it's in the ground in a chest all 10 million of it), so it was not breaking the rules as Hornemans did not have the "alt monies". This has since been clarified and Hornemans now will follow the guidance given and follow the rules as they were described to him.
The rules were changed to make it more clear, and thus can not truly punish someone for something that was not clearly outlined. The rule I was accused of breaking "no unfair alt advantage" is so vague it can be interpreted by any staff for any reason and be used to ban a person (which is was happened) it was discussed by all staff and even Fuzzlr himself got involved, and they made a decision (updated the rules) and unban me. I hope this clears up any rumors or untrue stores people are making up. Thanks.
~ @Hornemans

That is a nice essay. I have a question. Did you unfairly inject money in to the economy in a way that was detrimental to the server?

Now, you can answer in tw0 ways. I will lay them out so you don't avoid the question.

Answer 'yes':
You injected money into the economy unfairly.
'acts detrimental to the servers' are against the rules.
You carried out acts detrimental to the servers by injecting money unfairly.
You broke the rules.

Answer 'no':
Why were you banned?

Muunkee

thus can not truly punish someone for something that was not clearly outlined.
~ @Hornemans

"MeepCraft Staff reserves the right to use good judgement for punishments and ban lengths, along with combined infractions. Lying to a staff member will also result in a harsher punishment.

[B]This rules list cannot possibly hope to cover all instances of behavior that is detrimental to the servers or community, thus the MeepCraft Staff reserves the right to warn, kick, or ban players deemed to be detrimental as well as the right to form new rules when needed. Admins also reserve the right to reset player data as needed. [/B]"

Adrian

Hornemans has been unbanned. After numerous violations regarding alt abuse, he has miraculously returned. All of the staff have refused to talk about the situation. Recognize that his balance has not been wiped and that he has injected more meebles in to the economy than Viperfan17 who remains banned for another form of cheating meebles in to the economy.
Why has he been unbanned? The people demand an explanation.
~ @ekjhgekuie

Unbans cost $1000 USD, that's against the EULA because its over $200

lollisweet101

or because he's a cousin of someone important, or because he's a girlfriend of someone important, or because he's a dad of someone important, or because he's is someone important himself, or because he owns the server, or because he's got mad monies, or because he's got mad charm, or because he's crazy smart, or... I hope you get the idea.
~ @Hornemans

[FONT=Tahoma]Friend, cousin, or whatever, they shouldn't be treated any differently than the rest of us. And if they are, that's just unfair treatment. Need I say more?
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Unbans cost $1000 USD, that's against the EULA because its over $200
~ @Adrian

We might as well get deleted then. [/FONT]

Hornemans

Answer 'no':
Why were you banned?
~ @ekjhgekuie

I think the answer is pretty obvious. I'm I ban? I am online right now.

Staff reserves the right to use good judgement for punishments and ban lengths
~ @Muunkee

Judgement and punishements were discussed and resolved. Hence I am logged in right now. Seems like a no-brainer?

Unbans cost $1000 USD, that's against the EULA because its over $200
~ @Adrian

where you get $1,000? It cost $3,000... $200 x alts = price... right? That is still EULA compliant.

Friend, cousin, or whatever, they shouldn't be treated any differently than the rest of us.
~ @lollisweet101

You left out the "owner" or "owner dad" options... and are you saying the owner or owners parents are not able to unban themselves on demand?

Muunkee

where you get $1,000? It cost $3,000... $200 x alts = price... right? That is still EULA compliant.
~ @Hornemans

You may not gain any kind of advantage over other players through the use of alternate accounts."

Fruity_196

Maybe you all need to read the updated rules

was, 'not being able to transfer money from an alt to your main account' not a rule before this ? I mean that's the whole reason he got banned right ?
But staff decided to unban hornemans , without a second appeal , let him KEEP ALL the money he got from alt abusing And let him play like nothing happened. But it's okay because you guys updated the rules right ? If enough people are telling you staff that this is wrong and how we feel about it ,maybe you guys should listen ?? Point is , he broke the rules and got away with it, so maybe you can see why people are a little mad. You didn't even wipe the money he got from alt abusing ?! I mean seriously

Hornemans

where you get $1,000? It cost $3,000... $200 x alts = price... right? That is still EULA compliant.
~ @Hornemans
You may not gain any kind of advantage over other players through the use of alternate accounts."
~ @Muunkee

You talking about me or the server?

was, 'not being able to transfer money from an alt to your main account' not a rule before this ? I mean that's the whole reason he got banned right ?
~ @Fruity_196

Your deduction in the rules are correct, however, you clearly have not been reading... hornemans did not keep the money on his "main" buying a voting key from another player who may or may not have been an alt is 100% legit. So /pay'ing Hornemans from and ALT is illegal (which hornemans did NOT do) Hornemans got a key, third parties got moneis in exchange for the said key. Hope this clears up your misunderstanding.

Point is , he broke the rules and got away with it, so maybe you can see why people are a little mad.
~ @Fruity_196

Fake News.... Read above.

Summers

I wonder if he actually believes the garbage he types.

Hornemans

I wonder if he actually believes the garbage he types.
~ @Summers

Everything Hornemans types is the gold (and truth for that matter) so why would he not believe it?

Kling

I wonder if he actually believes the garbage he types.
~ @Summers

Possibly suffers from pathological lying, please be easy on him. Much like with the boombox appeals if you repeatedly state the same statement you can hope that others believe you, despite all evidence against you and clear rule violation written in the rules you manage to convince people. My hat is off to you because what you've done is remarkable, welcome back Hornemans.

alex77034

or because he's a cousin of someone important, or because he's a girlfriend of someone important, or because he's a dad of someone important, or because he's is someone important himself, or because he owns the server, or because he's got mad monies, or because he's got mad charm, or because he's crazy smart, or... I hope you get the idea.

~ @Hornemans

LOL.

I usually have some sort of response to everything but this I can’t even imagine responding to. . .

lanekids40

this level of BS is unmatched by anything.

lollisweet101

You left out the "owner" or "owner dad" options... and are you saying the owner or owners parents are not able to unban themselves on demand?
~ @Hornemans

[FONT=Tahoma]Yes. Also, I the "friends, cousins, or WHATEVER". The whatever is the etc, so that does mean I said owner dad or something. Also why would the owner ban themselves?[/FONT]

MeepLord27

I'm horny for hornemans

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