Raised Taxes

Muunkee

All of my profit is going just to keep our town up now, and we arn't even that big yetWe are earning money other ways, and that is the reason our town still up. The staff is donating an arm and a leg.
~ @Garde7

I just don't know why it's so hard to earn money. I only logged on like 10 minutes and goofed off the majority of that time and made 1-2K. If you can solidly focus on it, you can make well more, and def more than 20K in an hour ._. and thats ONLY WITH JOBS, too.

Garde7

I just don't know why it's so hard to earn money. I only logged on like 10 minutes and goofed off the majority of that time and made 1-2K. If you can solidly focus on it, you can make well more, and def more than 20K in an hour ._. and thats ONLY WITH JOBS, too.
~ @Muunkee

Ya i earn lots to and it all is going into the town bank.

Muunkee

Ya i earn lots to and it all is going into the town bank.
~ @Garde7

Not sure what the issue is then lolol
running a town is only as difficult as you make it

Geeneus

100 plots would only be 10k a day. If you own 100 plots and can't even make 10k a day, you have more problems coming.

Deinen

Not sure what the issue is then lolol
running a town is only as difficult as you make it
~ @Muunkee

Inherently -- I think the issue at heart is the server not giving the players the same consideration that it expects the players to give other players. While they inherently have the right to change server policy at a whim, it seems unwise for a server just back from a relaunch with 34 players on at 1:00PM EST to take action in this method. A much better option would have been to just give them some pre-warning. Even after the fact, had anyone said "Yeah, you're right, we'll try to do a better job in the future on notifying changes that alter gameplay". They did not even have to mean it, but just say it to appease their customers.

The complaint made in the original post, regardless on someone's opinion, is a legitimate complaint and that person is, indeed, correct on the complaint, despite any issues with that player, his actions in the past or present. I cannot see why the utmost respect wouldn't be taken to the playerbase that has a potential to purchase a product costing $319.99. Regardless of who the response was to directly, it ends up being a response to all players with the same criticism, regardless of who they are.

Geeneus

Inherently -- I think the issue at heart is the server not giving the players the same consideration that it expects the players to give other players. While they inherently have the right to change server policy at a whim, it seems unwise for a server just back from a relaunch with 34 players on at 1:00PM EST to take action in this method. A much better option would have been to just give them some pre-warning. Even after the fact, had anyone said "Yeah, you're right, we'll try to do a better job in the future on notifying changes that alter gameplay". They did not even have to mean it, but just say it to appease their customers.
The complaint made in the original post, regardless on someone's opinion, is a legitimate complaint and that person is, indeed, correct on the complaint, despite any issues with that player, his actions in the past or present. I cannot see why the utmost respect wouldn't be taken to the playerbase that has a potential to purchase a product costing $319.99. Regardless of who the response was to directly, it ends up being a response to all players with the same criticism, regardless of who they are.
~ @Deinen

Very nice job clarifying the argument.

There is one simple difference. Players raise taxes for profit, admins raise taxes to balance the economy.

Deinen

There is one simple difference. Players raise taxes for profit, admins raise taxes to balance the economy.
~ @Geeneus

Keeping in mind, it's their responsibility to keep balance on the economy. I just don't get the logic in wanting a successful server and replying to customers in the fashion highlighted in this thread. Sure, buttwhateverhisname is a problem player, but Dockson, ex-architect and ex-staff with 0 bans on his record has the same valid critique, responding to buttheadflywhatever is just the same as responding to him - And I'm not sure what he did to earn such a disrespect.

IFartOnChilren

I think that any decision made such as this one that effects the players should be announced prior to the change, but this one isn't something to go crazy about.

Saying this makes towns unprofitable is so false. Any town with active residents will be fine. That is the way it is supposed to be.

Muunkee

Inherently -- I think the issue at heart is the server not giving the players the same consideration that it expects the players to give other players. While they inherently have the right to change server policy at a whim, it seems unwise for a server just back from a relaunch with 34 players on at 1:00PM EST to take action in this method. A much better option would have been to just give them some pre-warning. Even after the fact, had anyone said "Yeah, you're right, we'll try to do a better job in the future on notifying changes that alter gameplay". They did not even have to mean it, but just say it to appease their customers.
The complaint made in the original post, regardless on someone's opinion, is a legitimate complaint and that person is, indeed, correct on the complaint, despite any issues with that player, his actions in the past or present. I cannot see why the utmost respect wouldn't be taken to the playerbase that has a potential to purchase a product costing $319.99. Regardless of who the response was to directly, it ends up being a response to all players with the same criticism, regardless of who they are.
~ @Deinen

Touche. All the same, that's what this server is now. I hate it but thats honestly how this operates. High staff don't use half the respect as they used to simply because "You disrespect, we disrespect."
Even a day or two warning would have been fine realistically.

builderjunkie012

just raise your plot tax to 100.

Deinen

just raise your plot tax to 100.
~ @builderjunkie012

That isn't the issue. - It would be a non-issue if the server let them make a 1 time tax raise with no warning, but until then they eat that cost for 7 days.

builderjunkie012

That isn't the issue. - It would be a non-issue if the server let them make a 1 time tax raise with no warning, but until then they eat that cost for 7 days.
~ @Deinen

If theyre upset about having to pay out of pocket they can have have taxes higher for a week, then go back to just covering the upkeep when their money is recovered. Its not that big of a problem

Dockson

Listen...

The problem is not with Meebles, far from it. Come on, if you can afford paying 50 per plot, you'll manage doing 100.
How the situation was handled - or rather not handled - is where the problem lies.

Deinen

If theyre upset about having to pay out of pocket they can have have taxes higher for a week, then go back to just covering the upkeep when their money is recovered. Its not that big of a problem
~ @builderjunkie012

Not the example, it's the principle.

How do you make a business successful without the utmost respect to your customers? I've invested thousands of hours here - I want to see it succeed, to see 1000 people back.

Hell, if I could build an actual town with actual residents I'd be back playing 10 hours a day - But I can't, there are no residents to be had, there is 100 people here.

I don't see the reaction found here conductive to any success whatsoever.

I completely get the staff is stressed and they take a lot of flak for a lot of stupid reasons, but it's very important to seperate the flak for actual reasons from the stupidity and response to the actuality with the utmost concern and respect. This ain't Comcast, it's a minecraft server.

Geeneus

I see this as similar to the overpowered jobs. People could mine obsidian or fish for hundreds of thousands a day. It was unbalanced, it needed to be changed. The same with taxes @ 50 per plot. It was decided that it had to be 100 per plot to be balanced. Things like this should be changed anytime, especially because of the recent restart.

Now, the reason mayors need to give a seven day notice is so they don't do extreme exploitation, such as 10k per plot. If they were given the freedom to change slightly whenever they want, the rules would be longer and more complicated. Whether that is good or bad is another thing.

Also, keep in mind, this rule is for the citizens not against the mayors. If you raise your taxes and everyone is ok with it, you will not get in trouble. If you are unreasonable and get reported, you will get in trouble. If a mayor says that he needed to raise taxes from 50-100 and his citizens understood, what is going to happen? Perm ban? Are the citizens going to complain? Probably not. Of course, towns with 50 people will have a harder time than those with 3.

I personally have done slight tax edits in old towns without notice. No one is mad, no one cares enough about 25-50 meebles a day to notice.

If you are a citizen in town and they raise from 50 a day to 10,000, report that and get your money back. If they raise from 50-100, simply pack up and find another town if you are that desperate for 50 meebles a day.

Just have a quick convo with some of your town's citizens to make sure they are cool with it. If one or two people are really mad, simply pay those the difference and tell them they need to leave town within 7 days. No one gets hurt.

Listen...
The problem is not with Meebles, far from it. Come on, if you can afford paying 50 per plot, you'll manage doing 100.
How the situation was handled - or rather not handled - is where the problem lies.
~ @Dockson

As someone who has personally done development, I can tell you that it is an extreme inconvenience for everyone if the admins can't make changes they feel are necessary in a very quick fashion. The server just restarted, and they need freedom to change what they feel needs to be changed when they feel it needs to be changed. Otherwise, more and more things get put on the "to-do" and "wait" list and less things appear on the "done" list.

People who don't want fluctuations like this should wait a while before playing meepcraft.

Dockson

I see this as similar to the overpowered jobs. People could mine obsidian or fish for hundreds of thousands a day. It was unbalanced, it needed to be changed. The same with taxes @ 50 per plot. It was decided that it had to be 100 per plot to be balanced. Things like this should be changed anytime, especially because of the recent restart.
Now, the reason mayors need to give a seven day notice is so they don't do extreme exploitation, such as 10k per plot. If they were given the freedom to change slightly whenever they want, the rules would be longer and more complicated. Whether that is good or bad is another thing.
Also, keep in mind, this rule is for the citizens not against the mayors. If you raise your taxes and everyone is ok with it, you will not get in trouble. If you are unreasonable and get reported, you will get in trouble. If a mayor says that he needed to raise taxes from 50-100 and his citizens understood, what is going to happen? Perm ban? Are the citizens going to complain? Probably not. Of course, towns with 50 people will have a harder time than those with 3.
I personally have done slight tax edits in old towns without notice. No one is mad, no one cares enough about 25-50 meebles a day to notice.
If you are a citizen in town and they raise from 50 a day to 10,000, report that and get your money back. If they raise from 50-100, simply pack up and find another town if you are that desperate for 50 meebles a day.
Just have a quick convo with some of your town's citizens to make sure they are cool with it. If one or two people are really mad, simply pay those the difference and tell them they need to leave town within 7 days. No one gets hurt.
~ @Geeneus

Still besides the point, that this change was 'announced' after a player made a complaint thread.
Don't get me wrong, I get what you mean. I agree, it's not a biggy, but it could've been handled much better.

On a server, that currently runs around Towny, changing a key factor without bothering to inform about it and responding in a rather annoyed fashion seems - not right - to say the least.

buttfly29

Infact, This really just doesn't bother me all that much (upkeep raise), its just the fact that we got absolutely no warning that kills me.

Geeneus

This all seems somewhat paradoxical. People in this thread are saying that they don't care about the new upkeep as much as the lack of warning. Why would we need a warning if, when it comes down to it, no one really cares about the upkeep?

The only argument is "I follow a rule, so I deserve the same treatment," when in reality, there is really no benefit from them receiving the same treatment and getting a warning. In this sense it seems like more of a pride and entitlement issue than anything else. People are mad that they didn't receive a warning they feel as if they deserve.

When I am busy and my father tells me to come to the table to eat, I come to the table. It doesn't work the other way around. Not everything is based on complete equality, and not everything is optimal that way.

Natsu

Just ask an admin to give you permission to raise taxes. Not hard

twomoo1119

Honestly I would stop complaining if they raised starting Bal to 5K

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