we need to know

Deljikho

This is simply not true. We dont have to fear anything!
~ @KlutchDecals

Thank you for the reply, but I'm not quite sure which of my statements in that paragraph is simply not true:

1. Meep would have to remove perks again to become compliant.

2. If Meep stays blacklisted and Mojang updates to 1.12+ then the 1.11 bypass will no longer work.

If the first one is false then why did we have to remove perks in the first place? I'm really hoping it's the 2nd one that's false, but that would require indisputable proof that the 1.11 bypass filter is indefinite.

Natsu

I don't care about how transparent staff thinks they are, but @Klitch has explained this in global (in bold where it's taken from him)

Mojang's EULA is something that Meepcraft could not comply with, because to comply, we need to remove literally every perk on the server. Everything was fine until some people reported us, but that shouldn't change Mojang's standards. However, Mojang has blacklisted us without reason and Fuzzlr has been working with them, but we could not figure out why this was happening.
To solve this issue and the nonsense of Mojang's EULA, Fuzzlr has came up with a way to bypass the blacklist with a regular launcher, with an update to 1.11 . Of course, using the SquidHQ launcher is recommended. With this, there is little to gain from complying. Mojang cannot sue us or ban us legally. Meepcraft is a completely private server and it is not a product of mojang. Since we don't need to comply, perks that do not mess with the economy were brought back.
The following perks were brought back:
- /fly -> Ultimate
- /nv (Night Vision) -> Supreme+
- /feed -> Elite+

They are accepting suggestions for an Elite+ perk.

I hope that clears it up

minetifa

I don't care about how transparent staff thinks they are, but @Klitch has explained this in global (in bold where it's taken from him)
Mojang's EULA is something that Meepcraft could not comply with, because to comply, we need to remove literally every perk on the server. Everything was fine until some people reported us, but that shouldn't change Mojang's standards. However, Mojang has blacklisted us without reason and Fuzzlr has been working with them, but we could not figure out why this was happening.
To solve this issue and the nonsense of Mojang's EULA, Fuzzlr has came up with a way to bypass the blacklist with a regular launcher, with an update to 1.11 . Of course, using the SquidHQ launcher is recommended. With this, there is no point in complying with the EULA. Mojang cannot sue us or ban us legally. Meepcraft is a completely private server and it is not a product of mojang. Since we don't need to comply, perks that do not mess with the economy were brought back.
The following perks were brought back:
- /fly -> Ultimate
- /nv (Night Vision) -> Supreme+
- /feed -> Premium+
They are accepting suggestions for an Elite+ perk.
I hope that clears it up
~ @Natsu

thank u

this thread was getting annoying

Deljikho

there is no point in complying with the EULA
~ @Natsu

That is the very issue. To assume there is no point in complying with the EULA is naïve. The main reason to be compliant is player count and player retention. It stands to reason that 1.11 workaround will not last forever, at which point the server relies on players using Squidhq to join and play. The likelihood of new players wanting to download a sketchy launcher, to respectfully and rule abindingly try out a blacklisted server is very low. As a compliant server we have much more access to our target demographics than we have as a blacklisted server relying on workarounds and third party installments.

It appears adding perks has upped the playerbase in the past 24 hours or so. However as I said earlier it only seems to be a bandaid fix. Right now people are happy they can join with a regular launcher and they have perks, but what happens when it's Squidhq launcher only? It would seem to create a domino effect of less new players joining so there will be less new/old player retention, ultimately with no retention then donations will follow the pattern and drop as well. It seems more reasonable to remove the few perks left that made us non compliant and have the safety of a steady playerbase, than to readd perks and possibly severely limit the number of people that can openly play on the Meepcraft server.

Natsu

That is the very issue. To assume there is no point in complying with the EULA is naïve. The main reason to be compliant is player count and player retention. It stands to reason that 1.11 workaround will not last forever, at which point the server relies on players using Squidhq to join and play. The likelihood of new players wanting to download a sketchy launcher, to respectfully and rule abindingly try out a blacklisted server is very low. As a compliant server we have much more access to our target demographics than we have as a blacklisted server relying on workarounds and third party installments.
It appears adding perks has upped the playerbase in the past 24 hours or so. However as I said earlier it only seems to be a bandaid fix. Right now people are happy they can join with a regular launcher and they have perks, but what happens when it's Squidhq launcher only? It would seem to create a domino effect of less new players joining so there will be less new/old player retention, ultimately with no retention then donations will follow the pattern and drop as well. It seems more reasonable to remove the few perks left that made us non compliant and have the safety of a steady playerbase, than to readd perks and possibly severely limit the number of people that can openly play on the Meepcraft server.
~ @Deljikho

Who says meep will be blocked. If you don't like how this server works you can go play on a sucky EULA compliant server that kisses up to stupid Microsoft

Klitch

no point
~ @Natsu

I seriously hope that's Klitch's personal opinion and not the sole expression of staff as a whole.
~ @Deljikho

This is a misinterpretation and not a direct quote, mind you.

Natsu

This is a misinterpretation and not a direct quote, mind you.
~ @Klitch

fixed. Sorry about the inconvenience.

Deljikho

This is a misinterpretation and not a direct quote, mind you.
~ @Klitch

My apologies, he stated bold words were taken directly from you. I should've known better though tbh. From my experience working alongside you you've always looked at problems from many different angles, I don't know why I assumed this was going to be a different case. I will edit the post.

Klitch

My apologies, he stated bold words were taken directly from you. I should've known better though tbh. From my experience working alongside you you've always looked at problems from many different angles, I don't know why I assumed this was going to be a different case. I will edit the post.
~ @Deljikho

not a problem my man :)

MoonlitMadness

that kisses up to stupid Microsoft
~ @Natsu

I mean.. ur kissing up to staff xdxd

Natsu

I mean.. ur kissing up to staff xdxd
~ @MoonlitMadness

I beg your pardon?

KlutchDecals

Thank you for the reply, but I'm not quite sure which of my statements in that paragraph is simply not true:
1. Meep would have to remove perks again to become compliant.
2. If Meep stays blacklisted and Mojang updates to 1.12+ then the 1.11 bypass will no longer work.

If the first one is false then why did we have to remove perks in the first place? I'm really hoping it's the 2nd one that's false, but that would require indisputable proof that the 1.11 bypass filter is indefinite.
~ @Deljikho

1. Meep WOULD have to remove perks to become compliant, but we dont plan to. Were blacklisted and they wont tell us why so, We dont care.

2. Minecraft can update to whatever it wants. Unless they do a client update, it wont make a difference for us. Since they have no plans to do a client update in the future, we have no worries.

It does NOT effect players joining, and the method we are using pretty much cannot be blocked. Simple as that!

Bloopers

look at it from a citizens perspective - let's say i'm a citizen here. (this story is a made up situation)

i've been playing on meep for 3 months now. i can't afford to donate and my parents wont do it for me. it's alright though, because there are no major perks to worry about - i have a fair chance to make cool things and play the game the same way as the ranked players.

yesterday, they gave perks to the ranked players. i don't know how to feel about this. for 3 months it's been ok - i can't rank up, my parents won't let me and i don't have a job. i think i'll just quit. i'll go play on some other server that doesn't have advantages for ranked players!

Deljikho

It does NOT effect players joining, and the method we are using pretty much cannot be blocked. Simple as that!
~ @KlutchDecals

That's all I wanted to find out. Thanks a ton for the clarification!

Klitch

look at it from a citizens perspective - let's say i'm a citizen here. (this story is a made up situation)
i've been playing on meep for 3 months now. i can't afford to donate and my parents wont do it for me. it's alright though, because there are no major perks to worry about - i have a fair chance to make cool things and play the game the same way as the ranked players.
yesterday, they gave perks to the ranked players. i don't know how to feel about this. for 3 months it's been ok - i can't rank up, my parents won't let me and i don't have a job. i think i'll just quit. i'll go play on some other server that doesn't have advantages for ranked players!
~ @Bloopers

So you're upset that we gave perks back which would more often than not incentivize a purchase?

Bloopers

So you're upset that we gave perks back which would more often than not incentivize a purchase?
~ @Klitch

why purchase the rank for like $120+ when you can go play on (whatever other server) for free?

also, @KlutchDecals - if mojang finds out about this blacklist bypassing, they'll probably do a client update.

Klitch

why purchase the rank for like $120+ when you can go play on (whatever other server) for free?
~ @Bloopers

I understand your point, but I don't understand what you're proposing. Not all players will donate, not all players will continue to play on Meepcraft, but bottom line, it will ultimately be far farer than it used to be before the EULA situation. Many players will purchase a rank, many players will not purchase a rank but continue to play, and I speculate that with these changes, few players will choose neither.

Bloopers

*logs in*
*sees 5 people flying*
/g how do i fly?
"pay $320"
*thinks to self: this server is kinda unfair, i'll go somewhere else*
*leaves*

potential player lost

metr0n0me

*logs in*
*sees 5 people flying*
/g how do i fly?
"pay $320"
*thinks to self: this server is kinda unfair, i'll go somewhere else*
*leaves*
potential player lost
~ @Bloopers

The server has made millions of dollars worth of donations like this in the past, soooo

1. Meep WOULD have to remove perks to become compliant, but we dont plan to. Were blacklisted and they wont tell us why so, We dont care.
2. Minecraft can update to whatever it wants. Unless they do a client update, it wont make a difference for us. Since they have no plans to do a client update in the future, we have no worries.
It does NOT effect players joining, and the method we are using pretty much cannot be blocked. Simple as that!
~ @KlutchDecals

Thanks for the concise reply...helps a ton.

Klitch

*logs in*
*sees 5 people flying*
/g how do i fly?
"pay $320"
*thinks to self: this server is kinda unfair, i'll go somewhere else*
*leaves*
potential player lost
~ @Bloopers

You raise all these questions and concerns, but you have yet to propose an idea that would solve this problem.

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