Towny War

FlamingCharizard12468

I had a conversation with some people on Meepcraft and we agreed that towny wars would be fun. My suggestions are the following:

War is optional: Towns can choose if they want to participate in wars
War: If towns compete, they can be attacked and they can attack other towns in a factions-like way( TNT Cannons), but they cannot overclaim territory. Players participate in PVP with eachother and player drops from kills can be picked up.
Rewards: The items in chests that the TNT Cannons blow up can be picked up by anyone and player drops from kills can also be picked up.
Times: Wars begin at Friday 9 PM EST and end at Sunday 9 PM EST and last 48 Hours

Please take this into consideration.

WeAreNumberUno

This has been suggested to death, doubt it will be accepted this time.

CasualNuker

-1 would divide the communityAnd no ones gonna accept a suggestion that very new person that joined today and only has a couple messages

Pmx728

+1
The nations choose to have wars. This would give use to nations, if your town doesn't want to join in on towny wars, the. Choose a nation wisely.

Pmx728

Lmao @ you thinking you're an old player. You're a small child who is perm banned and thinks they're important. Get off your high horse, Flaming talked with us in shout and he is VERY pleasant to speak to, much more so than you. Stop picking on him.
Yeah I feel like it doesn't have to be divisive for the community, because you could just leave a nation temporarily while they have a war then return if you really like that nation. It's something that my town personally feels would be exciting and fun.
Unfortunately it has been suggested to hell and back with no real results. I just hope that staff will understand that even with it enabled, players aren't forced to participate in any way. We had a compromise with Gamma, where legacy stayed but gamma was a partial reset. Why not do it again?

Exactly. I wouldn't want my town to be in a towny war, but why ruin the fun for others. It would also make the game more interesting, plus it brings more nation/town pride.

BlackJack

Lmao @ you thinking you're an old player. You're a small child who is perm banned and thinks they're important. Get off your high horse, Flaming talked with us in shout and he is VERY pleasant to speak to, much more so than you. Stop picking on him.

A worthy successor. I like your style.

Kling

+1 Let Gamma take over everyone.

Khafra

-1 would require techs to work

TechnoTyson

+1 We'd get destroyed by Gamma but all in a bit of fun

WhoNeedsJimbo

I had a conversation with some people on Meepcraft and we agreed that towny wars would be fun. My suggestions are the following:
War is optional: Towns can choose if they want to participate in wars
War: If towns compete, they can be attacked and they can attack other towns in a factions-like way( TNT Cannons), but they cannot overclaim territory. Players participate in PVP with eachother and player drops from kills can be picked up.
Rewards: The items in chests that the TNT Cannons blow up can be picked up by anyone and player drops from kills can also be picked up.
Times: Wars begin at Friday 9 PM EST and end at Sunday 9 PM EST and last 48 Hours
Please take this into consideration.
~ @FlamingCharizard12468

This has been suggested to death, doubt it will be accepted this time.
~ @WeAreNumberUno

-1. I had my reasons last time it was suggested, but DwarFmorf has said enough.
Also im not a big fan of Clash of Clans.

Jiltism

Not going to lie, the best day I ever had on Meep was when j00mad (the original) and I literally recruited a ton of people to his town and nation just to get the required number online to start a war. We raided a massive town (I think the owner was named RayA? I don't remember exactly. He was a popular community member at the time. It was Ray something) and I got some massive loot. Admin heads, signed books, stacks of diamond blocks, god armor. It was epic. We had tnt and were blowong things. Then it died down. A few minutes later multiple mods were threatening to ban me for using a war plugin that was enabled. War was disabled, I had to return the items. Still super fun though, I remember like 20+ people running around this town fighting, lava everywhere. Awesome stuff. Maybe make towns that want to war have to advertise accordingly, so any residents don't get screwed. This could work, and I preached it hard in my day.

trisckabob

-1

Draqq

Muunkee

And no ones gonna accept a suggestion that very new person that joined today and only has a couple messages
~ @CasualNuker

Completely untrue.

as for the suggestion, I personally dont want to participate, so as long as a town had the option to opt out thatd be great.

Adrian

-1
We dont need this
This will ruin the community and just make too much risk in the gama (esp with the current eco)

junelawnchaired

There's not really enough people to actively spend the time to participate even if this was implemented. There would be like two towns dominating everything and all the other towns would just die then we'd have even less players :( .

CluelessKlutz

Given my background, I have always been excited for something like this to be added. Allow me to address the counter-arguments for the concept.

-1
We dont need this
This will ruin the community and just make too much risk in the gama (esp with the current eco)
~ @Adrian

Actually, this would not divide the community, because you would be choosing to fight the other.

In actuality, this would benefit the economy greatly because it would consume diamonds. Given the slump in the diamond and Ebook markets, wars will benefit them by creating a much larger demand. Higher demand for diamonds would level out a surplus of supply.

-1. I had my reasons last time it was suggested, but DwarFmorf has said enough.
Also im not a big fan of Clash of Clans.
~ @WhoNeedsJimbo

We had a fairly long discussion on the topic in global. There are quite a few differences between Towny Wars and Clash of Clans. Here are just a few of them.

Troops

One of the key components of Clash of Clans is that you are the general, and deploy your troops to attack the village. The troops have their own AI which you cannot control. This is a major deviation from what Towny Wars are in that every single "troop" is an actual person. It's not really comparable to Clans at all, because you yourself are the soldier, and it is based on your solo skill.

Engineering

Rather than just plopping down some defense building, then upgrading them, Towny Wars fortifications are far more intelligent. Have you seen the kinds of traps people can build with just a little Redstone? The kind of walls and tactics used in a far more comparable playstyle, Factions, can be ingenious. It takes a whole lot more intelligence to design smart fortifications than it does to throw down buildings in the right place.

Teamwork

In traditional Clash of Clans, each raid is simply you attacking another person's base. Even in wars, where you fight with your clan, you enter the battle alone. For Towny Wars, you are organizing raiding parties to overwhelm the other town's defenders, who also are organizing to repel you. Group battles are a lot of fun when done with friends, or even against friends.

There would be like two towns dominating everything and all the other towns would just die then we'd have even less players :( .
~ @junelawnchaired

+1
The nations choose to have wars. This would give use to nations, if your town doesn't want to join in on towny wars
~ @Pmx728

Simply put, having a large town doesn't really give you any advantage (Rip, Kling). Towny Wars normally depend on PvP skills and engineering, neither of which is terribly affected by numbers. Everyone here knows @legendcaleb would wreck just about everyone here in a fight. Well, what happens if there's two or three really good fighters in one town? They're probably gonna win against a much larger town with lots of lower skill level players. Why? Because, they had more skill. Plain and simple as that.

There's not really enough people to actively spend the time to participate even if this was implemented.
~ @junelawnchaired

This is actually a reason to add it. Think about it, if we have something that is truly fun for people to do, others are gonna join in, and therefore increase player retention. Higher player retention creates a stronger foundation for new players to join into. Therefore, we would be creating a stronger server-base in the end by giving something for more players to accomplish.

Not going to lie, the best day I ever had on Meep was when j00mad (the original) and I literally recruited a ton of people to his town and nation just to get the required number online to start a war. We raided a massive town (I think the owner was named RayA? I don't remember exactly. He was a popular community member at the time. It was Ray something) and I got some massive loot. Admin heads, signed books, stacks of diamond blocks, god armor. It was epic. We had tnt and were blowong things. Then it died down. A few minutes later multiple mods were threatening to ban me for using a war plugin that was enabled. War was disabled, I had to return the items. Still super fun though, I remember like 20+ people running around this town fighting, lava everywhere. Awesome stuff. Maybe make towns that want to war have to advertise accordingly, so any residents don't get screwed. This could work, and I preached it hard in my day.
~ @Jiltism

Basically, this is why people want it. It's fun. Given that many players get bored of Towny, adding a much faster paced form of it will allow it to appeal to a larger audience.

junelawnchaired

This is actually a reason to add it. Think about it, if we have something that is truly fun for people to do, others are gonna join in, and therefore increase player retention. Higher player retention creates a stronger foundation for new players to join into. Therefore, we would be creating a stronger server-base in the end by giving something for more players to accomplish.
~ @CluelessKlutz

Here's the thing my guy: we've tried this before. People want skywars? UHS? skyblock? okay. let's do it! Spend months and months on developing them, then see little to no (or negative) change in player base. That's why I don't think this is a good idea.

WhoNeedsJimbo

We had a fairly long discussion on the topic in global. There are quite a few differences between Towny Wars and Clash of Clans. Here are just a few of them.
~ @CluelessKlutz

That message I sent was sent before that discussion.

Although I have disagreed with you in the past, you've changed my side with that post. I am undecided on whenether or not this should be added, because of what madioson said, we do not have a clue if this will change the playerbase.

I have moved from -1 to +/-.

CluelessKlutz

Here's the thing my guy: we've tried this before. People want skywars? UHS? skyblock? okay. let's do it! Spend months and months on developing them, then see little to no (or negative) change in player base. That's why I don't think this is a good idea.
~ @junelawnchaired

I understand where you're coming from with that, but allow me to show the difference between these things. It's difficult to compare things like Skyblock, Skywars, UHS, etc. because those are completely different gamemodes. Towny wars is an extension of what we already have. Nobody played UHS (Not many even noticed it's been gone since the Gamma update) because it just wasn't fun. It was difficult, but it really didn't offer anything you couldn't do in a single-player world. Skyblock, again, is something completely different than what most players do. If we're honest, most people (of those playing the server itself) are in the Towny worlds. Even Skywars is something that is different, though I will say that it has a fairly regular stream of people.

Therefore, the diference between Towny Wars and the rest is it is a direct extension of Towns, not a different inventory, balance, world, etc.