...

WeAreNumberUno

@buttfly29 @IzzSt @sabaka and whoever else was calling me a scammer
My pwarp was a gambling pwarp, it was advertised as a gambling pwarp, it had gambling warnings, it is 100% legal, I posted how many dirt were initially in the chests, I posted tons of information, nothing I msged anyone was something I hadn't already said in global chat, and yes, I make money off the machines, just like EVERY OTHER GAMBLING PWARP. Nearly 2,000,000 meebles have been won, I only make around 50-100k per round, so its not stuffed with dirt, and a staff member checked logs and stuff and said, conclusively, that it wasn't a scam. I honestly don't understand why you guys got mad that you lost money at a GAMBLING PWARP.

Khafra

It's so easy to rig you might as well just call it a scam

Klitch

If this gets out of hand I'm locking it. Don't be dumb on this thread please, have a discussion.

WeAreNumberUno

It's so easy to rig you might as well just call it a scam
~ @Khafra

Its no easier to rig than a slot machine right?

If this gets out of hand I'm locking it. Don't be dumb on this thread please, have a discussion.
~ @Klitch

Thats the intent, I am perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong if someone can actually give me a good reason.

Khafra

Its no easier to rig than a slot machine
~ @WeAreNumberUno

you message your friend "buy from my pwarp and you will win"

WeAreNumberUno

you message your friend "buy from my pwarp and you will win"
~ @Khafra

The same thing could happen with skin comps yet those are popular, It is no less trust able than almost any other form of gambling.

buttfly29

Its no easier to rig than a slot machine right?
Thats the intent, I am perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong if someone can actually give me a good reason.
~ @WeAreNumberUno

Ive deleted my forum because people werent quite getting the point I was trying to send but, these can make alot of money if its used right, and im sorry i got really salty, because I had just wasted about 70k and someone else buys the last one and wins, it just seemed really obvious at the time that u scammed me (u didnt), but now Im just gonna let it go, its just a block game

Natsu

I witnessed this going on, and I am with @WeAreNumberUno for this case.

Here are my reasons;
It is your own choice, like any other chest shops, to click on the chest and purchase, even for extreme amounts of money. No matter what anyone says, they cannot make you buy something. Their promise can be false, and they might lie to you that there are only 5 dirt left for 2000 meebles each. However, the chest shop is technically legal because the customer is buying what they want and are agreeing to buy in the specified price by using the chest shop. Therefore, the actual exchange of goods and money in this case are completely legal.
As for the gambling part, there are no ways gamble without risk. If you are assured that you will win 100,000 meebles, than that is not gambling because you are not taking a risk. Therefore, the customers of /pwarp dwarf should not be complaining that they got scammed because they took risks and lost. By agreeing to gamble, they are to abide by the owner's ways and if the customer took a risk and lost, it is not the owner's responsibility to refund.

Therefore, I say that the gambling machines in /pwarp dwarf are completely legal.

However, I agree that the advertisement was irrelevant to the actual gambling situation. Whether Dwarf did or not, it is illegal to provide false information or promises to get people to do something. If Dwarf provided false information, then this should be handled accordingly by staff with evidence.

Overall, the pwarp itself is legal and should not be an issue.

~Natsu

Adam34falcon

I witnessed this going on, and I am with @WeAreNumberUno for this case.
Here are my reasons;
It is your own choice, like any other chest shops, to click on the chest and purchase, even for extreme amounts of money. No matter what anyone says, they cannot make you buy something. Their promise can be false, and they might lie to you that there are only 5 dirt left for 2000 meebles each. However, the chest shop is technically legal because the customer is buying what they want and are agreeing to buy in the specified price by using the chest shop. Therefore, the actual exchange of goods and money in this case are completely legal.
As for the gambling part, there are no ways gamble without risk. If you are assured that you will win 100,000 meebles, than that is not gambling because you are not taking a risk. Therefore, the customers of /pwarp dwarf should not be complaining that they got scammed because they took risks and lost. By agreeing to gamble, they are to abide by the owner's ways and if the customer took a risk and lost, it is not the owner's responsibility to refund.
Therefore, I say that the gambling machines in /pwarp dwarf are completely legal.
However, I agree that the advertisement was irrelevant to the actual gambling situation. Whether Dwarf did or not, it is illegal to provide false information or promises to get people to do something. If Dwarf provided false information, then this should be handled accordingly by staff with evidence.
Overall, the pwarp itself is legal and should not be an issue.
~Natsu
~ @Natsu

Ok sir mini mod

hehe

buttfly29

this isnt really a gamble because theres no acual win possibility until the end, cant be classify-ed as lottery aswell

this isnt really a gamble because theres no acual win possibility until the end, cant be classify-ed as lottery aswell
~ @buttfly29

for 100k the minimum is only 1 person wins out of 192, thats complete crap tbh

WeAreNumberUno

but now Im just gonna let it go, its just a block game
~ @buttfly29

Clearly you haven't let it go, because you told me that you hoped satan killed me when I logged off last night.

it just seemed really obvious at the time that u scammed me (u didnt)
~ @buttfly29

You continued calling me a scammer this morning. Please, show some consistency with your responses.

this isnt really a gamble because theres no acual win possibility until the end, cant be classify-ed as lottery aswell
for 100k the minimum is only 1 person wins out of 192, thats complete crap tbh
~ @buttfly29

Its a gamble that you are the last person, and why can't it be classified as a lottery? (I could be wrong) but don't lotterys have a 0% win chance except for the chosen number? This is basically a lottery because your number is when you buy, and the winning number is always the last person. Its generally not 1 person out of 192 people, because many people buy multiple times, and while the odds are low, its relatively low cost per try so those who do win tend to make more profit then a traditional slot machine, where the amount per try is usually at least 1/9th of the prize.

buttfly29

never called you a straight out scammer, I imply it

WeAreNumberUno

never called you a straight out scammer, I imply it ~ @buttfly29

u scammed me (u didnt)
~ @buttfly29

Muunkee

Lets keep this calm.

builderjunkie012

Pro Tip: The only way to make money in a casino is to be the owner
Don't like it? open your own

Natsu

Ok sir mini mod
hehe
~ @Adam34falcon

Says xXP00pblockXx

Hehe

buttfly29

Says xXP00pblockXx
Hehe
~ @Natsu

hes not poopblock, you idiot lool

Summers

Clearly you haven't let it go, because you told me that you hoped satan killed me when I logged off last night.
You continued calling me a scammer this morning. Please, show some consistency with your responses.
Its a gamble that you are the last person, and why can't it be classified as a lottery? (I could be wrong) but don't lotterys have a 0% win chance except for the chosen number? This is basically a lottery because your number is when you buy, and the winning number is always the last person. Its generally not 1 person out of 192 people, because many people buy multiple times, and while the odds are low, its relatively low cost per try so those who do win tend to make more profit then a traditional slot machine, where the amount per try is usually at least 1/9th of the prize.
~ @WeAreNumberUno

Wrong.

WeAreNumberUno

hes not poopblock, you idiot lool
~ @buttfly29

He made his alts IGN poopblock and got banned for a bit awhile ago.

Natsu

I didn't intend to make this an argument about poopblocks. I apologize. @buttfly29 @WeAreNumberUno @Adam34falcon