Showing server ban details

Austincf71

I think it would be useful to know if/when someone is banned (besides /seen) to know how long that person has/will be not online (since 2 people in my town have been banned)
I heard it was a thing back then but it was removed for an unknown reason and I think it would be good to bring back

EDIT:
Could use commands like /bantimer (name)
or in /g say "Kdocherty7 has been banned for 1 day for reason"

Muunkee

Its private info.
You have no need for this info.
If you want to be a part of the ban process, become a staff member.
-1

benster82

All bans would be public, so staff would think twice before going on a power trip. All players would see it, and could post a demotion request if the staff member is banning players unreasonably.
It makes people think twice about doing dumb things that could make them get banned.
It provides entertainment for people who can follow the rules.
Players should be in the know with what happens in the server that they're GIVING THEIR MONEY TO.
If somebody feels that their privacy is invaded by having their ban publicly broadcasted, then maybe they'll think twice about doing things that could get them banned.

Summers

+1
All bans would be public, so staff would think twice before going on a power trip. All players would see it, and could post a demotion request if the staff member is banning players unreasonably.
It makes people think twice about doing dumb things that could make them get banned.
It provides entertainment for people who can follow the rules.
Players should be in the know with what happens in the server that they're GIVING THEIR MONEY TO.
If somebody feels that their privacy is invaded by having their ban publicly broadcasted, then maybe they'll think twice about doing things that could get them banned.

~ @benster82

1. Lol -1
2. How would that stop dumb people from being dumb? -1
3. True. +1
4. You're lucky that they even show a Red Cross through their name. Not a good point. -1
5. True but still not a point that helps prove that this would be a good thing. -1

I think it would be useful to know if/when someone is banned (besides /seen) to know how long that person has/will be not online (since 2 people in my town have been banned)
I heard it was a thing back then but it was removed for an unknown reason and I think it would be good to bring back
EDIT:
Could use commands like /bantimer (name)
or in /g say "Kdocherty7 has been banned for 1 day for reason"
~ @Austincf71

This has been suggested like 5 times in the past few months and has been denied every time see denied section.
This does not benifit the server and would only cause more drama/fighting/spamming.

Muunkee

+1
All bans would be public, so staff would think twice before going on a power trip. All players would see it, and could post a demotion request if the staff member is banning players unreasonably.
It makes people think twice about doing dumb things that could make them get banned.
It provides entertainment for people who can follow the rules.
Players should be in the know with what happens in the server that they're GIVING THEIR MONEY TO.
If somebody feels that their privacy is invaded by having their ban publicly broadcasted, then maybe they'll think twice about doing things that could get them banned.

~ @benster82

1. Staff are looked at. Staff see other staff members. This would stop no power trip. Because a power trip would be shut down within an hour.
2. No they wont lol
3. Thats not a good reason.
4. why?
5. No they wont lol

Deinen

All bans would be public, so staff would think twice before going on a power trip. All players would see it, and could post a demotion request if the staff member is banning players unreasonably.
~ @benster82

It's not your job to police the staff. You are a player, you either play, or not.

It makes people think twice about doing dumb things that could make them get banned.
~ @benster82

It really doesn't.

Players should be in the know with what happens in the server that they're GIVING THEIR MONEY TO.
~ @benster82

You give money to your local gas station, but are not privvy to their employee policies, this isn't much different.

Dockson

The reason for the removal was the "spam following the ban".

You would get:

LOL
RIP
GG
HAHA

in the chat afterwards.

Now, with the bans not visible, you get confusion, drama and everyone asking all around the forums/game about the banned person.

The reasoning that it's "private information" is BS. It obviously wasn't private info in the years prior to the removal.

EDIT:

Up to you to decide what type of reaction you want.
1. The immediate spam in the chat with visible bans
or
2. The drama about it when someone finds out with hidden bans

Blendyz

Its private info.
You have no need for this info.
If you want to be a part of the ban process, become a staff member.
-1
~ @Muunkee

Then just a while back in a suggestion you said this:

It's been awhile that bans are not public and have not been for quite some time.
the arguments for keeping bans private are that it's simply private info and we don't need to know. It's valid.
But to keep the bans public, we know things like that play who was advertising was permed, new players see that staff do indeed enforce rules and therefore they should not break them, as well as providing a learning service to people who want staff so they can learn the offences and times and that stuff.
I'm not going to ask to make the bans completely public. But here's an idea
Noob123 advertises her server. You better believe it's a super cool server. Don't worry, you'll get OP.
A mod sees this, bans the player. Currently, we don't even know if the player is banned unless we do /seen.
How about when the mod bans noob123, there is a message in chat saying this
''Klutchdecals has banned a player for [advertising]. Length: Perm.''
It would stay this way, this way the player name is private but we also clearly know that the player was punished in that context.
We can also see ''SomeStaffMember has banned a player for [theft - Second offense]. Length:2 days.''
The brackets indicate the ban reason when the staff types /ban and the length is obviously the time.

Oh, how people change their minds so fast.

Austincf71

You give money to your local gas station, but are not privvy to their employee policies, this isn't much different.
~ @Deinen

But we're most of the reason the server is thriving with our donations@Blendyz omfg

Oh, how people change their minds so fast.
~ @Blendyz

Muunkee

Then just a while back in a suggestion you said this:
Oh, how people change their minds so fast.
~ @Blendyz

yes it is indeed how amazing one can change their minds when presented with new information.

Deinen

But we're most of the reason the server is thriving with our donations
~ @Austincf71

That doesn't change how relevant you are to the server's banning policies.

Players have no business involved/knowing in other player's bans, unless told by the players themselves. People just like being nosy and judging other people.

Kling

But we're most of the reason the server is thriving with our donations
~ @Austincf71

There is no need for customers to know publicly why someone is banned. If you want to know, get in touch with the player banned some how.
Do you go to your shopping center and ask why Michael the mischievous is banned? No because it is narnia.

Austincf71

If you want to know, get in touch with the player banned some how.
~ @Kling

"Get in touch with the player" *Meep is only way to talk to person*

Muunkee

"Get in touch with the player" *Meep is only way to talk to person*
~ @Austincf71

*ahem*
Skype.
Forums.
Teamspeak.
Steam.
General social media accounts(facebook etc)
kik
various games on your phone
other games
manymanymanymanymanymany other ways
wait til player is unbanned and ask. if player is banned longer than a week it's perm, and that narrows it down to basically hacking, exploiting or extreme toxicity.

Splendy

*ahem*
Skype.
Forums.
Teamspeak.
Steam.
General social media accounts(facebook etc)
kik
various games on your phone
other games
manymanymanymanymanymany other ways
wait til player is unbanned and ask. if player is banned longer than a week it's perm, and that narrows it down to basically hacking, exploiting or extreme toxicity.
~ @Muunkee

? ? ?

What if the player doesn't have those?
What if you don't know the players username on those?
What if you have hired someone to do a job and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if someone owes you money and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if you owe someone money and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if you need to talk to someone and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?

Sorry yes I'll just count down the days on my calendar hoping that my friend who I have no way to contact because I don't have their details and sadly I can't afford a private detective. Or I guess I'll just have to bug staff until they tell me instead of there being a way for me not to check what they did, I don't care tbh, but for there to be a way to see how long they're banned for.

Blendyz

? ? ?
What if the player doesn't have those?
What if you don't know the players username on those?
What if you have hired someone to do a job and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if someone owes you money and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if you owe someone money and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?
What if you need to talk to someone and they're banned but you don't know if it's 30 minutes or perm?

Sorry yes I'll just count down the days on my calendar hoping that my friend who I have no way to contact because I don't have their details and sadly I can't afford a private detective. Or I guess I'll just have to bug staff until they tell me instead of there being a way for me not to check what they did, I don't care tbh, but for there to be a way to see how long they're banned for.
~ @Splendy

Very good point

WeAreNumberUno

I know this will be denied, as the staff will just think it is us trying to stick our noses where they don't belong, and ignore the points made by various players.

However

What harm does this do? Seriously everyone figures out why someones banned eventually. You can't get banned doing nothing, someone has to catch you, and if they do they will eventually tell the community why vk-I mean some random person is banned. If I get permed, for lets say scamming ranks, I can either A. stay banned forever and wait until people figure it out or B. appeal and anyone who reads my appeal can see what I was banned for.? Is it because staff want to prevent shaming? because the only players who get shamed for getting banned are people with incredibly extensive historys, or people who draw attention to it, If I get banned, when i get on the most I will get are a few ironic humorous comments before it is forgotten (I might not be a good example because nobody cares about me) but Its not like people shout at other players in /g "Hey 3 weeks ago you got banned for 3 hours for scamming! ha your a loser!"

CluelessKlutz

What Happens to Austin's Suggestions
(Watch only 2:50-3:30)

https://youtu.be/_9GEVqvrYYA

WhoNeedsJimbo

What Happens to Austin's Suggestions
(Watch only 2:50-3:30)

https://youtu.be/_9GEVqvrYYA
~ @CluelessKlutz

I don't think Austincf71 had a giant ham sandwich as a suggestion.

WeAreNumberUno

I don't think Austincf71 had a giant ham sandwich as a suggestion.
~ @WhoNeedsJimbo

He will, just wait.